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The last supper

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At Luke 22, explains this event much more clear than the other 3 gospels. It is clear at verses 29-30, it was a special covenant made only to the ones who would sit on thrones beside Jesus in Gods kingdom( Rev 1:6, Rev 20:6)-- These are called-The little flock( Luke 12:32) = the anointed= the bride of Christ, numbered at 144,000( Rev 14:3) It was not for the great crowd( Rev 7:9) of other sheep( John 10:16)--This event occurred on the night of the passover. It should occur that night once a year. Jesus said--Keep on doing this in remembrance of me. The great crowd out of great respect should go and observe but not partake. Its a major sin for them to partake. Few of the little flock live on earth today, most lived back in Jesus, day.
Read Luke 22. Why are so many teachers wrong about this matter?

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kjw47 wrote: Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:26 pm At Luke 22, explains this event much more clear than the other 3 gospels. It is clear at verses 29-30, it was a special covenant made only to the ones who would sit on thrones beside Jesus in Gods kingdom( Rev 1:6, Rev 20:6)-- These are called-The little flock( Luke 12:32) = the anointed= the bride of Christ, numbered at 144,000( Rev 14:3) It was not for the great crowd( Rev 7:9) of other sheep( John 10:16)--This event occurred on the night of the passover. It should occur that night once a year. Jesus said--Keep on doing this in remembrance of me. The great crowd out of great respect should go and observe but not partake. Its a major sin for them to partake. Few of the little flock live on earth today, most lived back in Jesus, day.
Read Luke 22. Why are so many teachers wrong about this matter?
Please be more specific, what do you think is the covenant, and why would it be only for the few?

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1213 wrote: Thu Mar 30, 2023 4:56 am
kjw47 wrote: Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:26 pm At Luke 22, explains this event much more clear than the other 3 gospels. It is clear at verses 29-30, it was a special covenant made only to the ones who would sit on thrones beside Jesus in Gods kingdom( Rev 1:6, Rev 20:6)-- These are called-The little flock( Luke 12:32) = the anointed= the bride of Christ, numbered at 144,000( Rev 14:3) It was not for the great crowd( Rev 7:9) of other sheep( John 10:16)--This event occurred on the night of the passover. It should occur that night once a year. Jesus said--Keep on doing this in remembrance of me. The great crowd out of great respect should go and observe but not partake. Its a major sin for them to partake. Few of the little flock live on earth today, most lived back in Jesus, day.
Read Luke 22. Why are so many teachers wrong about this matter?
Please be more specific, what do you think is the covenant, and why would it be only for the few?

The little flock( Luke12:32)these are the anointed, the bride of Christ, they are numbered=144,000--They will rule on thrones beside Jesus in heaven as kings and priests. Rev 1:6, Rev 20:6)--He made that covenant with them only as Luke 22:29-30 brings out.

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kjw47 wrote: Thu Mar 30, 2023 1:52 pm
1213 wrote: Thu Mar 30, 2023 4:56 am
kjw47 wrote: Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:26 pm At Luke 22, explains this event much more clear than the other 3 gospels. It is clear at verses 29-30, it was a special covenant made only to the ones who would sit on thrones beside Jesus in Gods kingdom( Rev 1:6, Rev 20:6)-- These are called-The little flock( Luke 12:32) = the anointed= the bride of Christ, numbered at 144,000( Rev 14:3) It was not for the great crowd( Rev 7:9) of other sheep( John 10:16)--This event occurred on the night of the passover. It should occur that night once a year. Jesus said--Keep on doing this in remembrance of me. The great crowd out of great respect should go and observe but not partake. Its a major sin for them to partake. Few of the little flock live on earth today, most lived back in Jesus, day.
Read Luke 22. Why are so many teachers wrong about this matter?
Please be more specific, what do you think is the covenant, and why would it be only for the few?

The little flock( Luke12:32)these are the anointed, the bride of Christ, they are numbered=144,000--They will rule on thrones beside Jesus in heaven as kings and priests. Rev 1:6, Rev 20:6)--He made that covenant with them only as Luke 22:29-30 brings out.
What has always amused me is that the members of the Governing Body who exercise teaching authority over Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide claim to be among the anointed 144,000, and also consider themselves as a group to be the faithful and discreet slave of Matthew 24:45 and Luke 12:42." *

Matthew 24:45
45 “Who really is the faithful and discreet* slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?

Luke 12:42
42 And the Lord said: “Who really is the faithful steward,* the discreet one,* whom his master will appoint over his body of attendants* to keep giving them their measure of food supplies at the proper time?


Pretty slick how members of the Governing Body of the Jehovah's Witnesses changed the singular "slave" of Matthew and the phantom singular "slave" of Luke into a collective so as to make up a "group" of lucky followers.

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Moreover, "individual Witnesses indicate their claim of being "anointed" by partaking of the bread and wine at the annual Memorial of Christ's death. More than 21,000 Witnesses worldwide—an increase of over 12,000 since 1995." *

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Miles wrote: Thu Mar 30, 2023 4:49 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Mar 30, 2023 1:52 pm
1213 wrote: Thu Mar 30, 2023 4:56 am
kjw47 wrote: Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:26 pm At Luke 22, explains this event much more clear than the other 3 gospels. It is clear at verses 29-30, it was a special covenant made only to the ones who would sit on thrones beside Jesus in Gods kingdom( Rev 1:6, Rev 20:6)-- These are called-The little flock( Luke 12:32) = the anointed= the bride of Christ, numbered at 144,000( Rev 14:3) It was not for the great crowd( Rev 7:9) of other sheep( John 10:16)--This event occurred on the night of the passover. It should occur that night once a year. Jesus said--Keep on doing this in remembrance of me. The great crowd out of great respect should go and observe but not partake. Its a major sin for them to partake. Few of the little flock live on earth today, most lived back in Jesus, day.
Read Luke 22. Why are so many teachers wrong about this matter?
Please be more specific, what do you think is the covenant, and why would it be only for the few?

The little flock( Luke12:32)these are the anointed, the bride of Christ, they are numbered=144,000--They will rule on thrones beside Jesus in heaven as kings and priests. Rev 1:6, Rev 20:6)--He made that covenant with them only as Luke 22:29-30 brings out.
What has always amused me is that the members of the Governing Body who exercise teaching authority over Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide claim to be among the anointed 144,000, and also consider themselves as a group to be the faithful and discreet slave of Matthew 24:45 and Luke 12:42." *

Matthew 24:45
45 “Who really is the faithful and discreet* slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?

Luke 12:42
42 And the Lord said: “Who really is the faithful steward,* the discreet one,* whom his master will appoint over his body of attendants* to keep giving them their measure of food supplies at the proper time?


Pretty slick how members of the Governing Body of the Jehovah's Witnesses changed the singular "slave" of Matthew and the phantom singular "slave" of Luke into a collective so as to make up a "group" of lucky followers.

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Moreover, "individual Witnesses indicate their claim of being "anointed" by partaking of the bread and wine at the annual Memorial of Christ's death. More than 21,000 Witnesses worldwide—an increase of over 12,000 since 1995." *

* source


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The world will find out, they didn't make it up. The little flock is numbered-144,000--No other religion on earth even has a clue to the difference between the little flock and the great crowd of other sheep that no man can number. Since Revelation is clear the ones with the heavenly hope number at 144,000, they aren't part of the great crowd that no man can number. Rev 7:9)- only in the sense they make up a single flock, unified in love, thought and peace. But with 2 separate hopes.

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kjw47 wrote: Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:28 pm
Miles wrote: Thu Mar 30, 2023 4:49 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Mar 30, 2023 1:52 pm
1213 wrote: Thu Mar 30, 2023 4:56 am
kjw47 wrote: Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:26 pm At Luke 22, explains this event much more clear than the other 3 gospels. It is clear at verses 29-30, it was a special covenant made only to the ones who would sit on thrones beside Jesus in Gods kingdom( Rev 1:6, Rev 20:6)-- These are called-The little flock( Luke 12:32) = the anointed= the bride of Christ, numbered at 144,000( Rev 14:3) It was not for the great crowd( Rev 7:9) of other sheep( John 10:16)--This event occurred on the night of the passover. It should occur that night once a year. Jesus said--Keep on doing this in remembrance of me. The great crowd out of great respect should go and observe but not partake. Its a major sin for them to partake. Few of the little flock live on earth today, most lived back in Jesus, day.
Read Luke 22. Why are so many teachers wrong about this matter?
Please be more specific, what do you think is the covenant, and why would it be only for the few?

The little flock( Luke12:32)these are the anointed, the bride of Christ, they are numbered=144,000--They will rule on thrones beside Jesus in heaven as kings and priests. Rev 1:6, Rev 20:6)--He made that covenant with them only as Luke 22:29-30 brings out.
What has always amused me is that the members of the Governing Body who exercise teaching authority over Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide claim to be among the anointed 144,000, and also consider themselves as a group to be the faithful and discreet slave of Matthew 24:45 and Luke 12:42." *

Matthew 24:45
45 “Who really is the faithful and discreet* slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?

Luke 12:42
42 And the Lord said: “Who really is the faithful steward,* the discreet one,* whom his master will appoint over his body of attendants* to keep giving them their measure of food supplies at the proper time?


Pretty slick how members of the Governing Body of the Jehovah's Witnesses changed the singular "slave" of Matthew and the phantom singular "slave" of Luke into a collective so as to make up a "group" of lucky followers.

.............................................................
Image


Moreover, "individual Witnesses indicate their claim of being "anointed" by partaking of the bread and wine at the annual Memorial of Christ's death. More than 21,000 Witnesses worldwide—an increase of over 12,000 since 1995." *

* source


.
The world will find out, they didn't make it up.
As if the world cares.

The little flock is numbered-144,000--No other religion on earth even has a clue to the difference between the little flock and the great crowd of other sheep that no man can number.
Nor do I believe the world cares what little stories the Governing Body and other JW members make up about themselves. All of whom, I take it, can trace their ancestry back to one of the 12 ancient tribes of the "sons of Israel."

...............................................Conquered and dissipated in

12,000 from the tribe of Judah ..............586 BC
12,000 from the tribe of Reuben,.......,,...723 BC
12,000 from the tribe of Gad..................721 BC
12,000 from the tribe of Asher................721 BC
12,000 from the tribe of Naphtali............734 BC
12,000 from the tribe of Manasseh.L,,,,,,.723 BC
12,000 from the tribe of Simeon.............722 BC
12,000 from the tribe of Levi..................Integrated into ancient Jewish and Samaritan communities.
12,000 from the tribe of Issachar............721 BC
12,000 from the tribe of Zebulun............721 BC
12,000 from the tribe of Joseph..............721 BC
12,000 from the tribe of Benjamin..........721 BC



"We are the faithful and discreet slave because we say so." Yeah, sure. :roll:

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kjw47 wrote: Thu Mar 30, 2023 1:52 pm The little flock( Luke12:32)these are the anointed, the bride of Christ, they are numbered=144,000--They will rule on thrones beside Jesus in heaven as kings and priests. Rev 1:6, Rev 20:6)--He made that covenant with them only as Luke 22:29-30 brings out.
When I read those, I don't see anything in them that would support your claim, sorry.

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kjw47 wrote: Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:28 pmNo other religion on earth even has a clue to the [esoteric doctrine unique to our religion].
Said every religious sectarian ever.
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Peace to you,
kjw47 wrote: Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:26 pm At Luke 22, explains this event much more clear than the other 3 gospels. It is clear at verses 29-30, it was a special covenant made only to the ones who would sit on thrones beside Jesus in Gods kingdom( Rev 1:6, Rev 20:6)-- These are called-The little flock( Luke 12:32) = the anointed= the bride of Christ, numbered at 144,000( Rev 14:3) It was not for the great crowd( Rev 7:9) of other sheep( John 10:16)--
The meaning your religion has given these terms ("little flock"; "other sheep") is merely an interpretation (of men). This is why people do not see the connection that you are making. Because no one - not Christ, not the apostles, not Paul, etc - taught what your religion teaches about these terms. This, however, has been covered in many of the ongoing threads on this topic.
This event occurred on the night of the passover. It should occur that night once a year.
Partaking on only one night is also an interpretation of men. No one said that it should only be done on that one night.

Israel ate the manna (of which Christ is the true manna from heaven), every day.

But the important thing is to do what Christ said to do (whether you choose one night or every day or somewhere in the middle - that is between you and Christ).

Jesus said--Keep on doing this in remembrance of me.


Keep on doing WHAT in remembrance of Him, kjw47?

Please be specific.

What exactly did He say to keep doing in remembrance of Him?
The great crowd out of great respect should go and observe but not partake.
Is this what Christ commanded? That 'the great crowd' should observe but not partake? Or is this just a religious tradition, a command and tradition of men?
Its a major sin for them to partake.


Please provide the teaching from Christ where it is a major sin for a Christian or a disciple of Christ to partake.

If you are going to claim it is a major sin to do something, then shouldn't you be able to show where Christ commanded against it?


Instead, wouldn't the sin be falsely teaching people that they should not obey even this command of Christ? Especially since Christ commanded the apostles to make disciples and teach those disciples to obey EVERYTHING that He had commanded them (the apostles)? Did you not recently post a thread where you said the real disciples obey everything that Christ commanded - every single thing?

Yet here you are saying that it would be a major sin for them TO obey THIS command.
Few of the little flock live on earth today, most lived back in Jesus, day.
Read Luke 22. Why are so many teachers wrong about this matter?

Most 'teachers' are wrong on this and other matters because they are not listening to Christ.

That goes for the 'teachers' teaching the doctrine you are presenting. Otherwise you (or they) could post a command from Christ that states it would be a major sin for most Christians to partake. But you won't find any such command from Him and that is why you cannot post it. Instead Christ teaches the exact opposite: that anyone may eat, and that the disciples are to obey everything Christ commanded the apostles.


The WTS is using FEAR to keep people from doing as Christ commanded, to keep people obeying them (men/religion) instead. I know it is hard to overcome fear - that is why religion uses it as a tactic to keep people obedient to it (to religion). But who should we be listening to? Christ (and so also His Father)... or men?

Who is the One who has the words of eternal life? (John 6:68)


I know who I will listen to.


May anyone who wishes them be given ears to hear so as to get a sense of this truth from the One who IS the Truth: Christ Jaheshua. May anyone who wishes also hear as the Spirit (Christ) and the Bride say to you, "Come!" May anyone who wishes and anyone who thirsts, "Come! Take the free gift of the water of Life!"




Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
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Miles wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 3:38 am
kjw47 wrote: Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:28 pm
Miles wrote: Thu Mar 30, 2023 4:49 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Mar 30, 2023 1:52 pm
1213 wrote: Thu Mar 30, 2023 4:56 am
kjw47 wrote: Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:26 pm At Luke 22, explains this event much more clear than the other 3 gospels. It is clear at verses 29-30, it was a special covenant made only to the ones who would sit on thrones beside Jesus in Gods kingdom( Rev 1:6, Rev 20:6)-- These are called-The little flock( Luke 12:32) = the anointed= the bride of Christ, numbered at 144,000( Rev 14:3) It was not for the great crowd( Rev 7:9) of other sheep( John 10:16)--This event occurred on the night of the passover. It should occur that night once a year. Jesus said--Keep on doing this in remembrance of me. The great crowd out of great respect should go and observe but not partake. Its a major sin for them to partake. Few of the little flock live on earth today, most lived back in Jesus, day.
Read Luke 22. Why are so many teachers wrong about this matter?
Please be more specific, what do you think is the covenant, and why would it be only for the few?

The little flock( Luke12:32)these are the anointed, the bride of Christ, they are numbered=144,000--They will rule on thrones beside Jesus in heaven as kings and priests. Rev 1:6, Rev 20:6)--He made that covenant with them only as Luke 22:29-30 brings out.
What has always amused me is that the members of the Governing Body who exercise teaching authority over Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide claim to be among the anointed 144,000, and also consider themselves as a group to be the faithful and discreet slave of Matthew 24:45 and Luke 12:42." *

Matthew 24:45
45 “Who really is the faithful and discreet* slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?

Luke 12:42
42 And the Lord said: “Who really is the faithful steward,* the discreet one,* whom his master will appoint over his body of attendants* to keep giving them their measure of food supplies at the proper time?


Pretty slick how members of the Governing Body of the Jehovah's Witnesses changed the singular "slave" of Matthew and the phantom singular "slave" of Luke into a collective so as to make up a "group" of lucky followers.

.............................................................
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Moreover, "individual Witnesses indicate their claim of being "anointed" by partaking of the bread and wine at the annual Memorial of Christ's death. More than 21,000 Witnesses worldwide—an increase of over 12,000 since 1995." *

* source


.
The world will find out, they didn't make it up.
As if the world cares.

The little flock is numbered-144,000--No other religion on earth even has a clue to the difference between the little flock and the great crowd of other sheep that no man can number.
Nor do I believe the world cares what little stories the Governing Body and other JW members make up about themselves. All of whom, I take it, can trace their ancestry back to one of the 12 ancient tribes of the "sons of Israel."

...............................................Conquered and dissipated in

12,000 from the tribe of Judah ..............586 BC
12,000 from the tribe of Reuben,.......,,...723 BC
12,000 from the tribe of Gad..................721 BC
12,000 from the tribe of Asher................721 BC
12,000 from the tribe of Naphtali............734 BC
12,000 from the tribe of Manasseh.L,,,,,,.723 BC
12,000 from the tribe of Simeon.............722 BC
12,000 from the tribe of Levi..................Integrated into ancient Jewish and Samaritan communities.
12,000 from the tribe of Issachar............721 BC
12,000 from the tribe of Zebulun............721 BC
12,000 from the tribe of Joseph..............721 BC
12,000 from the tribe of Benjamin..........721 BC



"We are the faithful and discreet slave because we say so." Yeah, sure. :roll:

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They listen to Jesus, no other religion claiming to be christian does-- You would know its truth if you knew what Jesus taught.

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