Can somebody just gently guide me through the timeline of the death of Jesus to his claimed resurrection ?
Three days? That's junk! A Friday evening to a Sunday morning looks more like 1.5 days to me.
Anybody who wants to use the Jewish 24hr cycle needs to stick with that clock throughout their guidance.
Anybody who uses the Modern 24 cycle might stick with that, please. No ducking and diving from one to t'other.
Resurrection after three days? What?
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Re: Resurrection after three days? What?
Post #71Ain't it enough that one said it (if you believe the bible)?
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Re: Resurrection after three days? What?
Post #72Ain't it enough that one said it (if you believe the bible)?
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It's enough for me. Just as the one time the Messiah said that 3 nights would be involved with His time in the heart of earth is enough.
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Re: Resurrection after three days? What?
Post #73How about John 20?
20. 1 Now the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb.
Luke 24.1 On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb.
Matthew.28 1. After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.
i am frankly bewildered by the about of discussion there is about how many and which days.
We know how many days the Gospels say it was, we know which days, we know what happened on what days -
Trial crucifixion and burial Friday, Sabbath day of rest Saturday, resurrection empty tomb at dawn Sunday, first day of the week in Jewish reckoning.
Believe the Bible or not, that is what it says. It is also not three days, not in the sense of three full 24 hours, but a resurrection on the third day (after the day Jesus was crucified) works. I see no point in argument about that, and there are far, far more serious problems to argue about.
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Re: Resurrection after three days? What?
Post #74They don't say when the resurrection actually occurred.TRANSPONDER wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 10:26 am How about John 20?
20. 1 Now the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb.
Luke 24.1 On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb.
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Re: Resurrection after three days? What?
Post #75No, they don't. So far as the prophecy goes it implies that it should happen during the Sunday after twilight and before the women arrive at dawn. Disbelieve the prophecy and suppose it happened on the Sabbath or even on the Friday, as Luke implies, taking the penitent thief with him as promised. But then we may as well dismiss the NT as a credible report which I for one am quite willing to do.rstrats wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 10:37 amThey don't say when the resurrection actually occurred.TRANSPONDER wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 10:26 am How about John 20?
20. 1 Now the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb.
Luke 24.1 On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb.
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Re: Resurrection after three days? What?
Post #76I am not sure about Jesus leaving that tomb on the 1st day of the week at all.
Why couldn't that have happened during the Sabbath/Saturday? Nobody watched this happen.
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Re: Resurrection after three days? What?
Post #77So, if someone back then had said that they had worked night and day on a project, that no one would have thought that at least a part of a night time had to have been involved?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:50 am
The Jews would count part of any 24 hour period as the entire "day" so Jesus being dead during part of Sunday would idiomaticaly count as both the daylight and darknkess hours ie Sunday night).
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Re: Resurrection after three days? What?
Post #78Yes. One thing I've learned is: 'don't take any Christian apologetics claim on trust'. I think our pal JW should give his evidence for that claim. As you say, (and as I seem to recall he said somewhere) we can say 'we did something yesterday' and yet it took only an hour or so of that day. But colloquial speech isn't the same as calculating dates. So the claim that any part of a day counting as a full day may be no more than colloquial use in an OT passage Interpreted as 24 hour reckoning.rstrats wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 7:21 amSo, if someone back then had said that they had worked night and day on a project, that no one would have thought that at least a part of a night time had to have been involved?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:50 am
The Jews would count part of any 24 hour period as the entire "day" so Jesus being dead during part of Sunday would idiomaticaly count as both the daylight and darknkess hours ie Sunday night).
So out of interest (even though I don't even think the 'three day' debate important, but it is the topic) I think we might follow that claim up.
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Re: Resurrection after three days? What?
Post #79WORKING DAY AND NIGHTrstrats wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 7:21 amSo, if someone back then had said that they had worked night and day on a project, that no one would have thought that at least a part of a night time had to have been involved?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:50 am
The Jews would count part of any 24 hour period as the entire "day" so Jesus being dead during part of Sunday would idiomaticaly count as both the daylight and darknkess hours ie Sunday night).
If someone that says " I worked "night and day" for a week" they do not literally mean they did not stop to sleep, eat or go to the restroom, but worked continuously 168 hours!
The expression is idiomatic for "I worked hard for long periods over the course of a week" iIf they worked for 5 hours every night but finally finished on the 7th day at 5pm they would still say "a week" because the last day was part of that grueling period in which they did both day and night work.
They do not necessarily mean they worked all the night. They do not mean they worked EVERY night. Indeed exhaustion may have meant they slept all the way through one of the nights and they had to work a longer day shift the next day to make up for lost time .
In any case it is understood to mean hard and long with at least some periods stretching into at least part of the majority of nights.
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Re: Resurrection after three days? What?
Post #80[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #79]
That's a different scenario. Your comment in post #16 was with regard to a single calendar day. And my question was with regard to a single calendar day.
That's a different scenario. Your comment in post #16 was with regard to a single calendar day. And my question was with regard to a single calendar day.