The good news of Gods kingdom

[kjw47]

Yes it really is good news, the coming of Gods kingdom rule to all creation. Only the wicked fear its arrival.
Jesus will lead Gods armies to the earth and bring that kingdom rule with him. Satan will be captured and abyssed for 1000 years. During that time, the earth will be transformed into an Eden(paradise)--mankind will go back to perfection, never sick, never without, not aging like now. No more- war, hatred, fear, abuse, sickness, disease, afflictions like blindness, etc) no cheating on mates, drunkeness, drug addiction, no false god worship, Gods kingdom rule will be a cure all. Even dead love ones resurrected and some given a chance to learn and apply Gods will. But then satan is loosed for a little while to test the resurrected ones, many( Gog of Magog- will fall as the sands of the sea( rev 20:8) the bible says. Then satan and all who were mislead by him will be destroyed forever in the lake of fire. And death will be no more, neither will mourning, outcries or pain. Gods kingdom rule in full control forever, all motives of mortal hearts out of love, not profit. Perfect harmony from all of Gods creatures( Isaiah 11)--- Eternal life of happiness. This will be on earth.( Matt 5:5, Psalm 37:29)

Will you live for entrance into that kingdom now?

[kjw47]

Yes Gods kingdom was established in heaven at Rev 6:2--Few on earth listen to Jesus and serve him as king. Gods kingdom= a govt rule from heaven, lead by a king who has all authority given to him over all( not God though)-- A govt that will wipe every other govt of mortals off of Gods earth(Dan 2:44) Rev 16)- a spiritual ruling authority. Just like any mortal govt lead kingdom, except this one will rule in love, justice and righteousness.

The kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was established on the day of Pentecost AD 33 when believers were born of water and the Spirit through baptism, and the Lord added them to His church.

Yes, our Lords Kingdom on earth is ruled FROM heaven. His Kingdom is spiritual. It consists of born again believers who have Christ ruling over their hearts.

Christs kingdom is here NOW! When Jesus comes again, He will deliver His kingdom (the church) to His Father in heaven, where they will reign with Him forever.

See my post #18 to onewithhim.

Its ben 1990 years since 33 ce- Rev 20:6 shows his reign is for 1000 years. Not to mention at Rev 19:11 Jesus leads Gods armies to the earth at Armageddon, this has not occurred yet. And the events described after that have not occurred yet.

[MissKate13]

[Replying to kjw47 in post #21]

Scripture must agree with Scripture. Your view of a future kingdom on earth opposes 1 Corinthians 15:25, which tells us Christ is reigning NOW. He is King NOW (1 Tim. 6:16).

Your view opposes Col. 1:13, Rev. 1:9, Heb. 12:28 and 1 Thess. 2:12, which tell us followers of Jesus were dwelling in the kingdom in the first century. YOU CANNOT REFUTE THESE SCRIPTURES.

Your method of interpretation is inconsistent. You claim the "thousand years" to be a literal period of time. Is the "key" also literal? Is the "pit" literal? Is the "chain" literal? The immediate context is obviously figurative. Is Christ going to reign on the literal throne of David in the literal city of Jerusalem? No Scripture says such a thing. Acts 2:30-36 teaches that Jesus is sitting on the throne of David NOW. He is ruling and reigning from heaven.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to kjw47 in post #21]

Scripture must agree with Scripture. Your view of a future kingdom on earth opposes 1 Corinthians 15:25, which tells us Christ is reigning NOW. He is King NOW (1 Tim. 6:16).

Your view opposes Col. 1:13, Rev. 1:9, Heb. 12:28 and 1 Thess. 2:12, which tell us followers of Jesus were dwelling in the kingdom in the first century. YOU CANNOT REFUTE THESE SCRIPTURES.

Your method of interpretation is inconsistent. You claim the "thousand years" to be a literal period of time. Is the "key" also literal? Is the "pit" literal? Is the "chain" literal? The immediate context is obviously figurative. Is Christ going to reign on the literal throne of David in the literal city of Jerusalem? No Scripture says such a thing. Acts 2:30-36 teaches that Jesus is sitting on the throne of David NOW. He is ruling and reigning from heaven.

Yes, now he IS ruling from heaven, since the times of the gentiles was concluded in 1914. (Luke 21:24) He is guiding his congregation to preach the good news of the Kingdom to all the nations before the end comes (Matthew 24:14). He has not set up his government over the whole earth as of yet. That will be after Armageddon.

HOW CAN YOU REFUTE SCRIPTURES SUCH AS ISAIAH 9:6,7 AND DANIEL 2:44 ? And what do you say about Matthew 6:9,10 where Jesus teaches his followers to pray for the Kingdom YET TO COME? Hebrews 12:28 speaks of a kingdom in the future, not that they had it then. I Thess.2:12 also refers to receiving the kingdom sometime in the future. These scriptures you list speak of a kingdom that existed, but the anointed hadn't been included in the Kingdom as rulers with Christ as yet.

[MissKate13]

[Replying to kjw47 in post #21]

Scripture must agree with Scripture. Your view of a future kingdom on earth opposes 1 Corinthians 15:25, which tells us Christ is reigning NOW. He is King NOW (1 Tim. 6:16).

Your view opposes Col. 1:13, Rev. 1:9, Heb. 12:28 and 1 Thess. 2:12, which tell us followers of Jesus were dwelling in the kingdom in the first century. YOU CANNOT REFUTE THESE SCRIPTURES.

Your method of interpretation is inconsistent. You claim the "thousand years" to be a literal period of time. Is the "key" also literal? Is the "pit" literal? Is the "chain" literal? The immediate context is obviously figurative. Is Christ going to reign on the literal throne of David in the literal city of Jerusalem? No Scripture says such a thing. Acts 2:30-36 teaches that Jesus is sitting on the throne of David NOW. He is ruling and reigning from heaven.

Yes, now he IS ruling from heaven, since the times of the gentiles was concluded in 1914. (Luke 21:24) He is guiding his congregation to preach the good news of the Kingdom to all the nations before the end comes (Matthew 24:14). He has not set up his government over the whole earth as of yet. That will be after Armageddon.

HOW CAN YOU REFUTE SCRIPTURES SUCH AS ISAIAH 9:6,7 AND DANIEL 2:44 ? And what do you say about Matthew 6:9,10 where Jesus teaches his followers to pray for the Kingdom YET TO COME? Hebrews 12:28 speaks of a kingdom in the future, not that they had it then. I Thess.2:12 also refers to receiving the kingdom sometime in the future. These scriptures you list speak of a kingdom that existed, but the anointed hadn't been included in the Kingdom as rulers with Christ as yet.

Ive already addressed the Isaiah, Daniel and Matthew passages.

Every translation of Hebrews 12:28 says "receiving a kingdom." The word "receiving" is not future tense. Its present. The present participle of receive is receiving.

Same with 1 Thessalonians 2:12. It say "calls, calleth" you into His kingdom. That is present tense. Look at the other verbs in the verse: encouraging, comforting, urging. All are present tense.

"encouraging, comforting and urging you to live lives worthy of God, who calls you into his kingdom and glory."

Its basic English grammar.

John says the following about himself and other Christians:

"To Him who loves us and has released us from our sins by His blood, 6 who has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Fatherto Him be the glory and power forever and ever! Amen. (Revelation 1:6)

Ive posted five passages that show the kingdom is here NOW and has been since the day of Pentecost 33 AD.

YOU CANNOT REFUTE THE SCRIPTURES.

[kjw47]

[Replying to kjw47 in post #21]

Scripture must agree with Scripture. Your view of a future kingdom on earth opposes 1 Corinthians 15:25, which tells us Christ is reigning NOW. He is King NOW (1 Tim. 6:16).

Your view opposes Col. 1:13, Rev. 1:9, Heb. 12:28 and 1 Thess. 2:12, which tell us followers of Jesus were dwelling in the kingdom in the first century. YOU CANNOT REFUTE THESE SCRIPTURES.

Your method of interpretation is inconsistent. You claim the "thousand years" to be a literal period of time. Is the "key" also literal? Is the "pit" literal? Is the "chain" literal? The immediate context is obviously figurative. Is Christ going to reign on the literal throne of David in the literal city of Jerusalem? No Scripture says such a thing. Acts 2:30-36 teaches that Jesus is sitting on the throne of David NOW. He is ruling and reigning from heaven.

The new Jerusalem=the 144,000=the bride.( Rev 21:2

[MissKate13]

[Replying to kjw47 in post #21]

Scripture must agree with Scripture. Your view of a future kingdom on earth opposes 1 Corinthians 15:25, which tells us Christ is reigning NOW. He is King NOW (1 Tim. 6:16).

Your view opposes Col. 1:13, Rev. 1:9, Heb. 12:28 and 1 Thess. 2:12, which tell us followers of Jesus were dwelling in the kingdom in the first century. YOU CANNOT REFUTE THESE SCRIPTURES.

Your method of interpretation is inconsistent. You claim the "thousand years" to be a literal period of time. Is the "key" also literal? Is the "pit" literal? Is the "chain" literal? The immediate context is obviously figurative. Is Christ going to reign on the literal throne of David in the literal city of Jerusalem? No Scripture says such a thing. Acts 2:30-36 teaches that Jesus is sitting on the throne of David NOW. He is ruling and reigning from heaven.

The new Jerusalem=the 144,000=the bride.( Rev 21:2

A typical JW response. When you cant refute the Scriptures, you change the subject. The only one youre fooling is yourself!

I proved to you that the verbs in Hebrews 12:28 and 1 Thessalonians 2:12 are present tense, not past as you claimed. You didnt acknowledge your error. The only thing you prove is that you view the Scriptures through Watchtower lenses. They have brainwashed you to the degree that you cant see truth when its staring you in the face.

Youve been shown the truth. Do with it what you will.

[Ross]

Excellent debating MissKate, and demonstrating a superb command of scripture.

You taught me one or two things there.

[kjw47]

[Replying to kjw47 in post #21]

Scripture must agree with Scripture. Your view of a future kingdom on earth opposes 1 Corinthians 15:25, which tells us Christ is reigning NOW. He is King NOW (1 Tim. 6:16).

Your view opposes Col. 1:13, Rev. 1:9, Heb. 12:28 and 1 Thess. 2:12, which tell us followers of Jesus were dwelling in the kingdom in the first century. YOU CANNOT REFUTE THESE SCRIPTURES.

Your method of interpretation is inconsistent. You claim the "thousand years" to be a literal period of time. Is the "key" also literal? Is the "pit" literal? Is the "chain" literal? The immediate context is obviously figurative. Is Christ going to reign on the literal throne of David in the literal city of Jerusalem? No Scripture says such a thing. Acts 2:30-36 teaches that Jesus is sitting on the throne of David NOW. He is ruling and reigning from heaven.

The new Jerusalem=the 144,000=the bride.( Rev 21:2

A typical JW response. When you cant refute the Scriptures, you change the subject. The only one youre fooling is yourself!

I proved to you that the verbs in Hebrews 12:28 and 1 Thessalonians 2:12 are present tense, not past as you claimed. You didnt acknowledge your error. The only thing you prove is that you view the Scriptures through Watchtower lenses. They have brainwashed you to the degree that you cant see truth when its staring you in the face.

Youve been shown the truth. Do with it what you will.

We will all see. Yes i have been shown truth by the teachers Jesus appointed. Because none can understand much of the bibles truth without being taught by them. Acts 8:31

[MissKate13]

[Replying to kjw47 in post #28]

Ohhhhh! Do you mean like the Watchtower teachers who claimed that the end of the age would happen in 1914, 1918, 1920, and 1925 but didnt? Were they Jesus appointed?

You have been unable to refute a single Scripture that tells us the kingdom is here NOW.

Colossians 1:13, Revelation 1:9, 1 Thessalonians 2:12, Hebrews 12:28, Revelation 1:6, 1 Corinthians 15:24-25, Luke 22:28-30, Luke 17:20-21

In Matthew 13:36-43, Jesus tells us that Gods people, even while living in this world, are described as people of the kingdom. They are not future people of the kingdom, but current citizens.

Those who take up their cross and follow Jesus are a part of his kingdom NOW. Yet what we currently experience in the Kingdom is limited. The time is coming when Christ will return, and then we will experience the Kingdom of God in its fulness.

1 Corinthians 15

24 Then the end will come, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father after He has destroyed all dominion, authority, and power. 25 For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.

The kingdom is spiritual now and always will be!

[MissKate13]

Excellent debating MissKate, and demonstrating a superb command of scripture.

You taught me one or two things there.

Thank you Ross! Your words are much appreciated. Ive learned from you as well.