Easter Sunrise Services

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Certain women went out to the cemetery before the sun was up and Jesus was already gone. (Matt 28:1-6 & John 20:1) So maybe we should be having twilight services instead of sunrise?
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Certain women went out to the cemetery before the sun was up and Jesus was already gone. (Matt 28:1-6 & John 20:1) So maybe we should be having twilight services instead of sunrise?
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In just about every Bible I checked Matthew 28:1 says "The day after the Sabbath day was the first day of the week. That day at dawn Mary Magdalene and the other woman named Mary went to look at the tomb." or words to that effect. Mentioning "dawn," but never "twilight." And John 20:1 doesn't mention either one, so looking at the chart below, which twilight did you have in mind? Astronomical twilight, Nautical twilight, or Civil twilight?

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Moreover, what are you going to do with, Mark 16:2, which puts the time of day at or after sunrise?

Mark 16:2 (BRG)
And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

Mark 16:2 (LEB)
And very early in the morning on the first day of the week they came to the tomb after the sun had risen.

And considering 2 Timothy 3:16-17 which says, "All Scripture is given by God. And all Scripture is useful for teaching and for showing people what is wrong in their lives." Why couldn't god get his story straight?


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so looking at the chart below, which twilight did you have in mind? Astronomical twilight, Nautical twilight, or Civil twilight?

Maybe you could run that by Neil DeGrasse Tyson and see what he thinks.

Moreover, what are you going to do with, Mark 16:2, which puts the time of day at or after sunrise?

The New Testament has been translated into something like 1,617 languages: several in English alone. So keep looking; maybe you'll eventually find one that suits you.
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so looking at the chart below, which twilight did you have in mind? Astronomical twilight, Nautical twilight, or Civil twilight?

Maybe you could run that by Neil DeGrasse Tyson and see what he thinks.

Would he know what you have in mind? If not, why do you think he should be bothered with such a silly question? Or is it the case that you yourself don't know which twilight strikes your fancy?

Moreover, what are you going to do with, Mark 16:2, which puts the time of day at or after sunrise?

The New Testament has been translated into something like 1,617 languages: several in English alone.

So what? You've still left my question hanging in the air "what are you going to do with, Mark 16:2, which puts the time of day at or after sunrise? Or is this too tough to answer: you don't know what you're going to do? You're flummoxed, baffled, bewildered, mystified, perplexed, puzzled, confused, confound, and have my sympathies.

So keep looking; maybe you'll eventually find one that suits you.

This isn't about me, now is it? It's about Y O U and your proposal to maybe have twilight services instead of sunrise. Personally, I couldn't care less what you do with your Easter service. I'm just a passerby trying to help you out with your bible reading.

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Aside from the apparent differences in the language and grammar of Matt 28:1-6, Mark 16:1-7, Luke 24:22-23, and John 20:1-2; the point that all clearly agree upon is that Jesus was gone when the women arrived.

FAQ: If Jesus' crucified dead body was restored to life before the sun came up, then how can Sunday be counted as the third day since his ordeal. (Luke 24:21-23)

REPLY: Back then; civil days began at 06:00 am and ended at 06:00 pm; which made for a twelve-hour day regardless of the season. (John 11:9-10)

Sometimes civil days began before sunrise. For example: the sun arose in Jerusalem April 09, 2023 at 06:19 am, which in the past would've been 19 minutes after the beginning of their civil day.

So; if Jesus' crucified dead body was restored to life sometime in those 19 minutes before sunrise, then technically he was within the limits of a new day rather than the tail end of a previous night.
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Aside from the apparent differences in the language and grammar of Matt 28:1-6, Mark 16:1-7, Luke 24:22-23, and John 20:1-2; the point that all clearly agree upon is that Jesus was gone when the women arrived.

FAQ: If Jesus' crucified dead body was restored to life before the sun came up, then how can Sunday be counted as the third day since his ordeal. (Luke 24:21-23)

REPLY: Back then; civil days began at 06:00 am and ended at 06:00 pm; which made for a twelve-hour day regardless of the season. (John 11:9-10)

Sometimes civil days began before sunrise. For example: the sun arose in Jerusalem April 09, 2023 at 06:19 am, which in the past would've been 19 minutes after the beginning of their civil day.

So; if Jesus' crucified dead body was restored to life sometime in those 19 minutes before sunrise, then technically he was within the limits of a new day rather than the tail end of a previous night.
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So what?

Your reply still doesn't address my question of "which twilight did you have in mind? Astronomical twilight, Nautical twilight, or Civil twilight?"


Or my question concerning Mark 16:2." . . . what are you going to do with, Mark 16:2, which puts the time of day at or after sunrise?"


Assuming you know what "you" means, are you going to answer these questions or not?

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POSIT: Easter sunrise services are pagan: they're not in the Bible.

REPLY: Sunrise services are neither prohibited nor required in the New Testament; thus they fall into the category of debatable practices which, for Christ's followers, are regulated by the principles discussed in the 14th chapter of Romans.

In other words: sunrise services are pagan for some folks, yes, but they aren't necessarily pagan for everyone because not everyone is out there that morning for a pagan purpose.

For example: human sacrifice is normally a pagan practice; but relative to God's purposes, it's not.

For another example: Jesus and his men drank the fruit of the vine at his last supper (Matt 26:29 & Mark 14:25) Well; a detailed examination of the 12th chapter of Exodus readily reveals that there is nothing in black and white designating a specific beverage for the Passover dinner, i.e. none is prohibited and none is required, viz: it's a gray issue.

Strict legalists would insist that Jesus and his men were in violation of the commandments that prohibits adding to and/or subtracting from the Law (Deut 4:2 & Deut 5:29-30) but they would be wrong.
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