Why Should Anyone Care What the Bible Says?

[POI]

For eons, theists will quote Scripture, with the presupposition that it is authoritative in some kind of way. I contend that the Bible is no better or worse than any other collection of writings. Meaning, it may appear to have some 'good' things to say, some 'bad' things to say, some 'strange' things to say, some 'wrong' things to say, some untenable things to say, some contradictory things to say, etc etc etc....

Any of us can produce passages and quotes from anyone, or any publication. To many, the Bible is just another one of those tools for use, where applicable.

For Debate:

Why should one more-so care what the Bible says? Is it because....

1. It is the inspired word of God? If so, how do you know?

2. Another reason(s)? If so, what, and why does this make anyone care what the Bible says?

[POI]

Please re-read what I wrote. Do you NOT have a contradiction between God's instruction(s), verses your own?

If I would have contradictory ideas, it would not mean Bible is contradictory. And I thought you were claiming Bible has contradiction in itself.

You are side-stepping the issue. Do you have conflicting and/or contradictory moral evaluations, as compared to God, or not?

The reason you continue to evade this question is you realize you are now in between a rock and a hard place.

So which one is it? Do you agree with god about his apparent given instructions for chattel slavery, or not?

[1213]

Please re-read what I wrote. Do you NOT have a contradiction between God's instruction(s), verses your own?

If I would have contradictory ideas, it would not mean Bible is contradictory. And I thought you were claiming Bible has contradiction in itself.

You are side-stepping the issue. Do you have conflicting and/or contradictory moral evaluations, as compared to God, or not?

The reason you continue to evade this question is you realize you are now in between a rock and a hard place.

So which one is it? Do you agree with god about his apparent given instructions for chattel slavery, or not?

If I would not agree with Bible or God, it would not make Bible contradictory. Apparently now we agree that Bible has no real contradiction, but I may have a contradiction with the Bible?

I don't think I have moral contradiction with the Biblical teachings. I have moral contradiction with what you claim.

[1213]

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I don't believe any of their Holy Books or Personal Experiences, just as you don't. I don't believe any of the personal experience for God, ....

I actually believe many of the stories and experiences can be true. For example the Greek gods, I think it is possible they existed. All details are not necessary correct, but the basic idea can be.

I don't say I believe them, because it is irrelevant to me, but, I also can't say I don't believe that they existed. I have not enough information, nor motive to decide.

[JehovahsWitness]

I actually believe many of the stories and experiences can be true. For example the Greek gods, I think it is possible they existed. All details are not necessary correct, but the basic idea can be.

I don't say I believe them, because it is irrelevant to me, but, I also can't say I don't believe that they existed. I have not enough information, nor motive to decide.

I agree; I don't think we should be so quick to dismiss ancient myths and legends as they probably contain grains of truth... for example the stories of the gods visiting man in human form to mate with women might be a reference to the fallen angels of Noah's time or the Nephelim.

[Clownboat]

I actually believe many of the stories and experiences can be true. For example the Greek gods, I think it is possible they existed. All details are not necessary correct, but the basic idea can be.

I don't say I believe them, because it is irrelevant to me, but, I also can't say I don't believe that they existed. I have not enough information, nor motive to decide.

I agree; I don't think we should be so quick to dismiss ancient myths and legends as they probably contain grains of truth... for example the stories of the gods visiting man in human form to mate with women might be a reference to the fallen angels of Noah's time or the Nephelim.

Look! This myth just might support my myth!
Anything to avoid the rational conclusion that god concepts are human constructs. Nah, can't be human construct, the gods just really, really, really like virgin girls so they take on human form to have sex with them.

Are the gods and angels still having sex with our virgins, or was that just a phase they went through a few thousand years ago?

[POI]

Please re-read what I wrote. Do you NOT have a contradiction between God's instruction(s), verses your own?

If I would have contradictory ideas, it would not mean Bible is contradictory. And I thought you were claiming Bible has contradiction in itself.

You are side-stepping the issue. Do you have conflicting and/or contradictory moral evaluations, as compared to God, or not?

The reason you continue to evade this question is you realize you are now in between a rock and a hard place.

So which one is it? Do you agree with god about his apparent given instructions for chattel slavery, or not?

If I would not agree with Bible or God, it would not make Bible contradictory. Apparently now we agree that Bible has no real contradiction, but I may have a contradiction with the Bible?

I don't think I have moral contradiction with the Biblical teachings. I have moral contradiction with what you claim.

I'm not talking about Bible contradictions. I'm talking about the moral contradiction you have with your god.

Stating "nuh-uh", as your rebuttal, will not win the debate. God gives instruction for chattel slavery and also the breeding of chattel slaves. I doubt you agree with these God given instructions. So just admit you do not agree with God's given instructions, so we can be done with it. Are you going to do so? Or, are you going to claim that the Bible does not sanction chattel slavery? If so, please address here ---> Post 76 (viewtopic.php?t=40608&start=70).

[TRANSPONDER]

I actually believe many of the stories and experiences can be true. For example the Greek gods, I think it is possible they existed. All details are not necessary correct, but the basic idea can be.

I don't say I believe them, because it is irrelevant to me, but, I also can't say I don't believe that they existed. I have not enough information, nor motive to decide.

I agree; I don't think we should be so quick to dismiss ancient myths and legends as they probably contain grains of truth... for example the stories of the gods visiting man in human form to mate with women might be a reference to the fallen angels of Noah's time or the Nephelim.

Come off it, You know this is merely cherry picking and morphing anything and everything to fit YOUR version of Biblefaith. Just as in the past, I have seen Biblestories reinterpreted as UFO encounters, or for that matter, ancient records and myths as Flying Saucer evidence.

No, there comes a time when you have to say: 'This isn't evidence enough for any one theory or belief." But the Believers and cultists went right past that as they never learned to say it.

[historia]

Why should one more-so care what the Bible says?

That's easy. The Bible has had an unrivaled impact on western culture.

In fact, it's influence is so deeply felt in western societies that those who are secular, or even anti-religious, continue to be influenced by Christian ideals that stem ultimately from the Bible.

[JoeyKnothead]

Why should one more-so care what the Bible says?

That's easy. The Bible has had an unrivaled impact on western culture.

In fact, it's influence is so deeply felt in western societies that those who are secular, or even anti-religious, continue to be influenced by Christian ideals that stem ultimately from the Bible.

Yeah, influenced by the Christian ideals of pregnant women who risk dying during pregnancy, and the whole transgender war going on right now.

Christianity has an outsized influence because of the barbaric tactics employed in its spread. Look up how Christian Spain treated Native Americans for further evidence of Christian "influence". Heck, the Pilgrims escaped Christian influence (persecution) so they could do their own form of it.

[POI]

Why should one more-so care what the Bible says?

That's easy. The Bible has had an unrivaled impact on western culture.

In fact, it's influence is so deeply felt in western societies that those who are secular, or even anti-religious, continue to be influenced by Christian ideals that stem ultimately from the Bible.

Impact in what way? Making countless people homophobes, delaying women's rights, impacting anti-science - teaching that evolution is a lie, etc? I guess the question I'm asking is.... Is what the Bible says, the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? If not, which parts do we ignore, dismiss, and/or other, and why?

Like question one asks, for debate:

1. It is the inspired word of God? If so, how do you know?