Evolutionists agree with the Bible on a few things. For example, the oldest known civilization was the Sumerian, and the dating of everything associated with it does not exceed the fifth millennium BC.
From the Bible, which is a collection of records written in the first moment back to 1514 BC, one can make a sufficiently detailed human chronology to understand that Moses knew that the civilizations before him only went as far back as the same date as modern scholars likewise acknowledge, near 2.5 millennia before him.
How did Moses know that human civilization had begun at that time and in the same place where the modern science places it, if he had no way of measuring time before him by more than two thousand years? Did he have carbon clocks to measure ancient objects? Or did Moses really know the history of the origin of man and the original human civilization?
There are other questions about the first ancient civilization that I will analyze in this topic, such as: if evolutionists believe that the knowledge necessary for the appearance of a civilization is such a slow process, is it reasonable to believe that a first civilization would suddenly appear with everything that the Sumerian civilization had?
I suppose those who don't know first have to understand the real scope of the Sumerians as civilized human beings, so that they can then reason about how long it took them from a supposed archaic man in the style of evolutionary fiction, to men with advanced mathematics, knowledge of the skies, knowledge to transform the terrain, architecture knowledge, language and writing, literature with a high artistic level, ..., even schools for children.
Having started the subject... you already have to reason about the truth of the origin of civilized man: were they apes before the Sumerians? were they learning little by little before they suddenly built an empire like the Sumerian?
PS: We know about the Sumerian civilization from the writings of its time that have come down to us, and the testimony of people who lived long after that civilization ceased to exist, but who had evidence of its past.
The time when civilizations appeared
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Re: The time when civilizations appeared
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https://futureoflife.org/guest-post/90- ... ive-today/
My "tens of thousands" was a gross underestimate. Nearly 160,000 new Ph.D.'s are awarded every year now worldwide (first graph in article) and if you integrate the red curve you can see that since 1950 there are over 4 million (that's 4,000,000). But keep ignoring the mountains of scientific evidence against your arguments ... it will not impact the many tens of thousands of scientists working today to solve problems and better understand how nature actually does work. Ancient myths from holy books can't compete.
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https://futureoflife.org/guest-post/90- ... ive-today/
My "tens of thousands" was a gross underestimate. Nearly 160,000 new Ph.D.'s are awarded every year now worldwide (first graph in article) and if you integrate the red curve you can see that since 1950 there are over 4 million (that's 4,000,000). But keep ignoring the mountains of scientific evidence against your arguments ... it will not impact the many tens of thousands of scientists working today to solve problems and better understand how nature actually does work. Ancient myths from holy books can't compete.
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Re: The time when civilizations appeared
Post #23Funny. That theory is a very modern invention.
There is not observation of any macroevolution anywhere, or any ape transmuting in human anywhere, or any non-civilized human inventing a numeric system, ...
There are even more millions of believers in the world than atheists.
This topic is "The time when civilizations appeared" ... REMEMBER THAT. We are not measuring our brains.
There is not observation of any macroevolution anywhere, or any ape transmuting in human anywhere, or any non-civilized human inventing a numeric system, ...
There are even more millions of believers in the world than atheists.
This topic is "The time when civilizations appeared" ... REMEMBER THAT. We are not measuring our brains.
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Re: The time when civilizations appeared
Post #24Adam and Eve knew nothing about having to eke out an existence and survive on their own when they were evicted from their sanctuary garden. How do you propose this lone couple set about establishing a civilisation?Eloi wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:43 pm Evolutionists find it incredible and impossible that humans were intelligent since they were created some 6 millennia ago, so they are driven to INVENT a history before the first human civilization, when "uncivilized" humans were preparing those conditions that they demand for the conception of history that is acceptable to them.
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