[Replying to otseng in post #3228
I'm asking you to present your evidence. If you do not, then it is merely an unsubstantiated assertion.
Evidence of what? What assertion have I made without evidence?
As I mentioned before, Christians have been grafted in.
[Rom 11:17, 23-24 KJV] 17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; ... 23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. 24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural [branches], be graffed into their own olive tree?
This isn't evidence of Christians being grafted in. At most, it's evidence of Christians trying to graft themselves
Where does it say it must be fulfilled in the near future?
In verse 16.
For before the child
[with whom the young woman is now pregnant] shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.
What this shows is Christians are better able to follow Yom Kippur since for Jews they have no component of a blood sacrifice anymore.
They still have the bulls of their lips to offer, so all's well.
Even more, there is no scapegoat ritual performed by the Jews. Whereas for Christians, Jesus is our scapegoat.
[Lev 16:10 HNV] 10 But the goat, on which the lot fell for the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make atonement for him, to send him away for the scapegoat into the wilderness.
Then Christians are the ones left hanging, because Jesus wasn't sent into the wilderness as the Levitical system dictates. Jesus was supposed to be the paschal lamb, but the paschal lamb wasn't offered for sin.
It doesn't make any sense to completely discount the entire Levitical sacrificial system. If Jews do believe this, then they are the ones rejecting the Torah, not Christians.
You can take that up with Ezekiel and Hosea.
Then how did he have a divine nature on earth?
It's a mystery.
When you ask Catholic apologists how bread and wine become the literal body and blood of Jesus despite all the physical evidence to the contrary, you know what they say?
"It's a mystery."
How does light have both the properties of a particle and a wave? Just because we can't fully explain something doesn't mean it is not true.
Just because we can't fully explain how light is both a particle and a wave doesn't mean we can't see
that it's both a particle and a wave. Light being both particle and wave is something we can verify by observation. Jesus having both a human nature and a divine nature is a claim
, and a particularly difficult claim to reconcile since the characteristics of those natures [being temptable and being un
temptable] are mutually exclusive.
Then how was Jesus God come to earth and being tempted?
[Luk 4:2, 13 KJV] 2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered. ... 13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.
And this shows what? That he had a human nature which could be tempted? How does it show that he had a divine nature which couldn't
In terms of the core beliefs, there is wide acceptance of it. In terms of denominational beliefs, there are of course variations.
The denomininational beliefs are rooted in the core beliefs.
Is Jesus part of a divine trinity?
Do sins have to be confessed to a priest?
Do bread and wine become the literal body and blood of Jesus?
Are Jesus and Satan brothers?
Was God once a man? Will men become gods, ruling their own planets?
So who is correct?
I asked you first.
And you don't want to make yourself look better by answering first?
Or is it that you can't answer?