For Christians. Are You A Follower Of Jesus? It's Highly Doubtful

[Miles]

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Consider:

Luke 1249-:53
49 Jesus continued speaking: “I came to bring fire to the world. I wish it were already burning! 50 There is a kind of baptism[ that I must suffer through. I feel very troubled until it is finished. 51 Do you think I came to give peace to the world? No, I came to divide the world! 52 From now on, a family of five will be divided, three against two, and two against three.

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A father and son will be divided:
The son will turn against his father.
The father will turn against his son.
A mother and her daughter will be divided:
The daughter will turn against her mother.
The mother will turn against her daughter.
A mother-in-law and her daughter-in-law will be divided:
The daughter-in-law will turn against her mother-in-law.
The mother-in-law will turn against her daughter-in-law.”


Luke 14:26
26 “If you come to me but will not leave your family, you cannot be my follower. You must love me more than your father, mother, wife, children, brothers, and sisters—even more than your own life!

Ever see anyone do any of the above? I haven't. In fact, Jesus makes a great prediction, which, honestly, I've also never seen happen.

Matthew 10:34-36
34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace. I came to bring trouble. 35 I have come to make this happen:

‘A son will turn against his father.
A daughter will turn against her mother.
A daughter-in-law will turn against her mother-in-law.
36 Even members of your own family will be your enemies.’

So, what's going on here? Have YOU turned against your mother or father and the other members of your family? Is no one a true follower of Jesus or can Christians simply disregard such troublesome verses?


Is Jesus simply an utter failure here?

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[luiscristiano42]

I do not know which translation (if it is indeed a translation) you cited of Luke 14:26 but none I have found say "turn against"

Thank you. I would have been disappointed if this thread made it through the first page without an apologetic attempt at hair-splitting.

Luke 14:26 says hate. The Greek word is μισεῖ, whence the prefix miso- in such words as misogyny and misanthropy.
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I said I could not find a translation that rendered the above "turn against", evidently neither did you. I do believe One can use the thumbs up button to signal agreement.
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JW
[/quote]Why can't you just believe as it is written?
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Interpreting religious texts involves considering historical context, cultural nuances, and literary devices. Even in seemingly literal passages, understanding the intended meaning requires a thoughtful exploration of the scripture's broader context.

[JehovahsWitness]

Interpreting religious texts involves considering historical context, cultural nuances, and literary devices. Even in seemingly literal passages, understanding the intended meaning requires a thoughtful exploration of the scripture's broader context.

I agree. Interpretations are like opinions, any Tom , Dick or Harriette can have one. However I did not mention "interpretations" I said ....

I do not know which translation (if it is indeed a translation) you cited of Luke 14:26 but none I have found say "turn against"

Until you prove otherwise by producing the translation, the statement stands.



JW

[onewithhim]

I do not know which translation (if it is indeed a translation) you cited of Luke 14:26 but none I have found say "turn against"

Thank you. I would have been disappointed if this thread made it through the first page without an apologetic attempt at hair-splitting.

Luke 14:26 says hate. The Greek word is μισεῖ, whence the prefix miso- in such words as misogyny and misanthropy.

I said I could not find a translation that rendered the above "turn against", evidently neither did you. I do believe One can use the thumbs up button to signal agreement.
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JW
[/quote]Why can't you just believe as it is written?
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Interpreting religious texts involves considering historical context, cultural nuances, and literary devices. Even in seemingly literal passages, understanding the intended meaning requires a thoughtful exploration of the scripture's broader context.
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This is true. One must consider historical context. Did Jesus anywhere in his other sayings say that we should hate anyone (the way you view hate)? It would be a stretch to find any such thing. So we have to look at other nuances for the meaning. The word ""hate" would have to mean "love less" if we were to stick to the stellar reputation that Jesus has had throughout his ministry.