Data wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 2:04 pm
You take that statement and apply it to something totally different that I didn't say I believe in and then try, in your despicable dishonesty induced by blind militant atheistic ideology, to hold me to a belief I don't possess by quoting "I believe that." to something else. That's what you did to me three times. I showed you, thinking maybe you were mistaken, you wouldn't respond as if it were contemptable for me to point out the truth.
I asked you, many times, what is <the source>? You opted not to answer. Not my fault. I'll explain further below. And thanks for the continued running string of subjectively given adjectives/other.
Data wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 2:04 pm
I said I didn't like and trust you and I wasn't going to respond to you or read your posts anymore, which I did for a while. Then I changed my mind thinking maybe I was too harsh. You called me a liar for doing that. Now, enough of that, and we can still attempt to have a civil discussion so long as you don't do that. I won't allow it.
It's just another shinning example, as to how you maybe need to grow up a bit, and also not wear your heart on your sleeve. Learn to control your knee-jerk reactions, when attempting to engage in civil discourse. It's also not too far from the string of given subjective adjectives/other directly above
Data wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 2:04 pm
What exactly is the question I do not answer?
6th attempt. What is <the source> for your
common sense?
Data wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 2:04 pm
Here's the thing about you. You won't answer questions while insisting someone else does. Like you're a judge. You aren't.
See directly above. 5 attempts and counting, no answer given. Hmm?
Data wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 2:04 pm
No. It's time you answered my questions.
Not before you actually
answer mine.
Data wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 2:04 pm
I've told you. Common sense is sense that is common.
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the saying of the same thing twice in different words, generally considered to be a fault of style (e.g., they arrived one after the other in succession ).
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What is <the source> of your
common sense?
Data wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 2:04 pm
Given your disposition I have to be very specific. I believe that children should obey their parents. That is my opinion. I have always had it. Long before I became a believer at 27, so does my opinion come from God if it preceded my introduction and acceptance of said God? No.
Being a believer or not have absolutely no relevancy here. Truth is truth, whether one is aware of it, or not. What is <the source> of your
common sense? I'm going to keep asking you until you give me a logical and satisfactory answer. If not from God, then where exactly? If you do not know, please say so.
Data wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 2:04 pm
That would be the only source. Not me. I'm not the source. Understand?
Great. We agree. The only place where God gave his advice/suggestions/commands/other, is the Bible. God is <the source>, no?
Data wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 2:04 pm
That is a matter of opinion. It's subjective. You don't like it? Too bad.
No. It is not subjective. Please show me the verse where God states, "
obey your parents accept....", or "
obey your parent only when....". Below is 100 verses about obeying your parents:
Colossians 3:20 ESV / 856 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful
Children, obey your parents in everything, for this pleases the Lord.
Exodus 20:12 ESV / 726 helpful votes
“Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.
Ephesians 6:1 ESV / 593 helpful votes
Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right.
Proverbs 1:8 ESV / 454 helpful votes
Hear, my son, your father's instruction, and forsake not your mother's teaching,
John 14:15 ESV / 362 helpful votes
“If you love me, you will keep my commandments.
Ephesians 6:1-3 ESV / 338 helpful votes
Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. “Honor your father and mother” (this is the first commandment with a promise), “that it may go well with you and that you may live long in the land.”
Proverbs 13:1 ESV / 272 helpful votes
A wise son hears his father's instruction, but a scoffer does not listen to rebuke.
Proverbs 30:17 ESV / 261 helpful votes
The eye that mocks a father and scorns to obey a mother will be picked out by the ravens of the valley and eaten by the vultures.
Ephesians 6:2-3 ESV / 256 helpful votes
“Honor your father and mother” (this is the first commandment with a promise), “that it may go well with you and that you may live long in the land.”
Deuteronomy 5:16 ESV / 251 helpful votes
“‘Honor your father and your mother, as the Lord your God commanded you, that your days may be long, and that it may go well with you in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.
Matthew 15:4 ESV / 242 helpful votes
For God commanded, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.’
Proverbs 6:20 ESV / 222 helpful votes
My son, keep your father's commandment, and forsake not your mother's teaching.
Proverbs 23:22 ESV / 217 helpful votes
Listen to your father who gave you life, and do not despise your mother when she is old.
Proverbs 3:1-2 ESV / 202 helpful votes
My son, do not forget my teaching, but let your heart keep my commandments, for length of days and years of life and peace they will add to you.
Ephesians 6:4 ESV / 193 helpful votes
Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.
Leviticus 19:3 ESV / 190 helpful votes
Every one of you shall revere his mother and his father, and you shall keep my Sabbaths: I am the Lord your God.
1 John 2:6 ESV / 180 helpful votes
Whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.
Proverbs 20:20 ESV / 172 helpful votes
If one curses his father or his mother, his lamp will be put out in utter darkness.
Deuteronomy 27:16 ESV / 162 helpful votes
“‘Cursed be anyone who dishonors his father or his mother.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen.’
1 John 2:4 ESV / 152 helpful votes
Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,
John 3:16-17 ESV / 147 helpful votes
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Ephesians 6:1-4 ESV / 145 helpful votes
Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. “Honor your father and mother” (this is the first commandment with a promise), “that it may go well with you and that you may live long in the land.” Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.
2 Timothy 3:2 ESV / 142 helpful votes
For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,
Deuteronomy 21:18-21 ESV / 137 helpful votes
“If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
John 3:16 ESV / 133 helpful votes
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Proverbs 22:6 ESV / 131 helpful votes
Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it.
Revelation 1:1 ESV / 127 helpful votes
The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,
Exodus 21:15 ESV / 119 helpful votes
“Whoever strikes his father or his mother shall be put to death.
Ephesians 6:2 ESV / 115 helpful votes
“Honor your father and mother” (this is the first commandment with a promise),
Proverbs 13:24 ESV / 111 helpful votes
Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him.
Ephesians 6:3 ESV / 107 helpful votes
“that it may go well with you and that you may live long in the land.”
1 John 1:9 ESV / 105 helpful votes
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Leviticus 20:9 ESV / 102 helpful votes
For anyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death; he has cursed his father or his mother; his blood is upon him.
2 Timothy 3:16 ESV / 101 helpful votes
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
1 Timothy 5:8 ESV / 99 helpful votes
But if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.
John 3:3 ESV / 95 helpful votes
Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
2 John 1:6 ESV / 88 helpful votes
And this is love, that we walk according to his commandments; this is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, so that you should walk in it.
Luke 14:26 ESV / 88 helpful votes
“If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.
Ephesians 6:17 ESV / 83 helpful votes
And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God,
Ephesians 6:1-24 ESV / 82 helpful votes
Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. “Honor your father and mother” (this is the first commandment with a promise), “that it may go well with you and that you may live long in the land.” Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord. Bondservants, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, with a sincere heart, as you would Christ, ...
Galatians 3:26 ESV / 82 helpful votes
For in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.
Romans 10:9 ESV / 82 helpful votes
Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Matthew 25:46 ESV / 82 helpful votes
And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
Joshua 1:8 ESV / 82 helpful votes
This Book of the Law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do according to all that is written in it. For then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have good success.
Psalm 55:23 ESV / 81 helpful votes
But you, O God, will cast them down into the pit of destruction; men of blood and treachery shall not live out half their days. But I will trust in you.
1 John 3:4 ESV / 80 helpful votes
Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.
Exodus 21:17 ESV / 78 helpful votes
“Whoever curses his father or his mother shall be put to death.
Proverbs 23:13-14 ESV / 77 helpful votes
Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you strike him with a rod, he will not die. If you strike him with the rod, you will save his soul from Sheol.
Genesis 1:27 ESV / 77 helpful votes
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
Genesis 3:16 ESV / 76 helpful votes
To the woman he said, “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be contrary to your husband, but he shall rule over you.”
Proverbs 22:15 ESV / 75 helpful votes
Folly is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline drives it far from him.
Colossians 3:22 ESV / 74 helpful votes
Bondservants, obey in everything those who are your earthly masters, not by way of eye-service, as people-pleasers, but with sincerity of heart, fearing the Lord.
Acts 10:34 ESV / 73 helpful votes
So Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality,
Romans 2:13 ESV / 72 helpful votes
For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified.
Romans 1:30 ESV / 72 helpful votes
Slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents,
2 Timothy 3:1-5 ESV / 71 helpful votes
But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people.
Romans 3:31 ESV / 71 helpful votes
Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.
Mark 10:11 ESV / 71 helpful votes
And he said to them, “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her,
Proverbs 29:15 ESV / 69 helpful votes
The rod and reproof give wisdom, but a child left to himself brings shame to his mother.
Acts 2:38 ESV / 68 helpful votes
And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Matthew 7:2 ESV / 68 helpful votes
For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.
Proverbs 15:5 ESV / 68 helpful votes
A fool despises his father's instruction, but whoever heeds reproof is prudent.
Romans 10:4 ESV / 67 helpful votes
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
Matthew 19:19 ESV / 67 helpful votes
Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
Hebrews 13:17 ESV / 66 helpful votes
Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.
Galatians 3:27 ESV / 66 helpful votes
For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Matthew 5:32 ESV / 64 helpful votes
But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
1 Timothy 5:4 ESV / 63 helpful votes
But if a widow has children or grandchildren, let them first learn to show godliness to their own household and to make some return to their parents, for this is pleasing in the sight of God.
Romans 10:13 ESV / 63 helpful votes
For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Deuteronomy 21:18 ESV / 63 helpful votes
“If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them,
John 15:14 ESV / 62 helpful votes
You are my friends if you do what I command you.
Romans 13:1 ESV / 61 helpful votes
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.
Psalm 119:105 ESV / 60 helpful votes
Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path.
Revelation 1:1-20 ESV / 56 helpful votes
The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near. John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before his throne, and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood ...
Luke 2:51 ESV / 56 helpful votes
And he went down with them and came to Nazareth and was submissive to them. And his mother treasured up all these things in her heart.
James 1:22 ESV / 55 helpful votes
But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.
Ephesians 6:10 ESV / 55 helpful votes
Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might.
Romans 5:8 ESV / 53 helpful votes
But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Acts 24:24 ESV / 53 helpful votes
After some days Felix came with his wife Drusilla, who was Jewish, and he sent for Paul and heard him speak about faith in Christ Jesus.
Matthew 19:9 ESV / 53 helpful votes
And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.”
Exodus 20:1-26 ESV / 53 helpful votes
And God spoke all these words, saying, “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. “You shall have no other gods before me. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, ...
Colossians 4:5 ESV / 52 helpful votes
Walk in wisdom toward outsiders, making the best use of the time.
John 3:1-36 ESV / 51 helpful votes
Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. This man came to Jesus by night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.” Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?” Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. ...
Romans 13:8-10 ESV / 50 helpful votes
Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Mark 16:16 ESV / 50 helpful votes
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
James 1:8 ESV / 49 helpful votes
He is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.
Romans 1:1-32 ESV / 48 helpful votes
Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God, which he promised beforehand through his prophets in the holy Scriptures, concerning his Son, who was descended from David according to the flesh and was declared to be the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord, through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith for the sake of his name among all the nations, ...
Mark 7:10 ESV / 48 helpful votes
For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.’
Proverbs 1:8-9 ESV / 48 helpful votes
Hear, my son, your father's instruction, and forsake not your mother's teaching, for they are a graceful garland for your head and pendants for your neck.
Revelation 21:4 ESV / 47 helpful votes
He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.”
1 Corinthians 15:51 ESV / 47 helpful votes
Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
Acts 17:10-11 ESV / 46 helpful votes
The brothers immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived they went into the Jewish synagogue. Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so.
Proverbs 10:1 ESV / 46 helpful votes
The proverbs of Solomon. A wise son makes a glad father, but a foolish son is a sorrow to his mother.
2 Thessalonians 1:9 ESV / 42 helpful votes
They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might,
Acts 16:1-40 ESV / 42 helpful votes
Paul came also to Derbe and to Lystra. A disciple was there, named Timothy, the son of a Jewish woman who was a believer, but his father was a Greek. He was well spoken of by the brothers at Lystra and Iconium. Paul wanted Timothy to accompany him, and he took him and circumcised him because of the Jews who were in those places, for they all knew that his father was a Greek. As they went on their way through the cities, they delivered to them for observance the decisions that had been reached by the apostles and elders who were in Jerusalem. So the churches were strengthened in the faith, and they increased in numbers daily. ...
John 8:44 ESV / 42 helpful votes
You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Luke 13:3 ESV / 42 helpful votes
No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.
Matthew 16:26 ESV / 42 helpful votes
For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in return for his soul?
In case anyone is wondering... The avatar quote states the following:
"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."
Try a new militant atheist tactic. That one is old to me. Predictable. Boring. 
