Jesus is God and Why !

[Brightfame52]

Matt 19:16-26

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.


This passage actually is teaching the Truth that Jesus is God ! Notice vs 17 As the young man had addressed Jesus as good, and Jesus responded accordingly, why callest thou me good, for none is good but ONE, that One Being God

Now , notice Jesus did not say, none is good but One and that is my Father, but He said that One, Being God !

Now if Jesus by this is not insinuating that He is God, then the alternative is that He was not good, seeing He just said only ONE, not Two, but ONLY ONE is good.

Now, if Jesus was not good, being that He was not the Only One Good God, then His commanding him, the young ruler, in order to be perfect, that he must go sell all his possessions, then give to the poor, and follow Him; Such an commandment exposed that the young man loved his possessions above God, which was a violation of the very first commandment, now if Jesus was not God, then the young mans refusal to obey and follow Jesus, could not be a proper standard to gauge his Love to God !

For there could not have been nothing amiss about not making such a great sacrifice as that Jesus told him, and then following Him if the One speaking was not the One God, who Only was good !

[Brightfame52]

Jesus is Almighty God since a dying Saint of His uttered these words specifically to Him Acts 7:59

And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

Compare with Ecc 12:7

7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

[onewithhim]

Jesus is Almighty God since a dying Saint of His uttered these words specifically to Him Acts 7:59

And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

Compare with Ecc 12:7

7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

He obviously saw in his vision BOTH God Almighty AND Jesus Christ. Stephen called upon God, the Father, and through Jesus prayed for Him to remember him.

[Brightfame52]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #382]

Lol it doesnt matter how much biblical evidence you are shown, you cant believe it.

[Muckman]

...
This passage actually is teaching the Truth that Jesus is God ! ...

I think that is a wrong interpretation, because Jesus says that there is only one true God that is greater than him.

This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3

the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28

Which is also confirmed by Paul who says:

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Timothy 2:5

Simple enough, isn't it? The only thing that saves the trinity doctrine is the hypostatic union.

[Muckman]

Jesus is God and Why !

So you believe God can die?

That's NOT what he said or implied.

[Muckman]

Jesus is God and Why !

But we see Jesus, who was a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. (Hebrews 2:9)

So you believe God can die?

As a Man Yes, God died. Jesus is both God and Man ! Now do you believe its impossible for God to become a Man and die ?

Hebrews 2:17 For this reason he had to be made like them,[k] FULLY HUMAN IN EVERY WAY, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. 18 Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.

[Muckman]

The Issue is not accepting the scriptures that present the Manhood of Christ, the problem is those who reject the scriptures that present the Christ as God in His Deity.12

If Jesus was God, I would think that he would have come right out and said it but he never did.

[Muckman]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #20]

Christianity isn't doing well these days. People are abandoning Christianity in large numbers.

It's not only the hypocrisy and judgmentalism, but also extremes in doctrine as well. People are sick and tired and turned off by Christianity and especially turned off by Calvinism, Fundamentalism, Preterism, Trinitarianism, Seventh Day Adventism, Literal 6-day Creationism, Jehovah's witness-ism, Mormonism, etc. etc.

I will forever believe Jesus was fully divine but have never and will never believe Jesus is God. Trinity was DEVELOPED between 325 and 451AD.

[Muckman]

So you dont believe God can do something that He did do. He became a Man and died for the sins of His People.

Who are you claiming died for your sins -- God or Jesus?

Now dont be scared to answer me this. Do you believe God can become a Man and die ? Yes or No

Hebrews 2:17
For this reason he had to be made like them,[k] FULLY HUMAN IN EVERY WAY, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. 18 Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.

Numbers 23:19 KJV
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

1 Samuel 15:29 KJV
And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent

Hosea 11:9 KJV
I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.

Job 9:32 KJV
For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment.

Hebrews 6:18
So that by two unchangeable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled for refuge might have strong encouragement to hold fast to the hope set before us.

Numbers 23:19 KJV
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

1 Samuel 15:29 KJV
And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent

Hosea 11:9 KJV
I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.

Job 9:32 KJV
For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment.

Hebrews 6:18
So that by two unchangeable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled for refuge might have strong encouragement to hold fast to the hope set before us.

"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: FOR MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I."

Why did he say in John 10:29,

"My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."

And why did Jesus say in John 13:16

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him."

[Muckman]

The biggest problem with that is, it is not Biblical teaching, it is not what God or Jesus tells in the Bible.

That is what separates Trinitarians from non-Trinitarians, now isn't it?

Exacly! Trinitarians read unbiblical things into the bible!

I agree with both of you. I want to say that 'being one' implies believing alike, thinking alike, feeling alike, acting alike, having the same goals and purpose. Trinity is by far the most fabricated and contradictory so-called doctrine to ever enter the church. It in a way Trinity has hurt Christianity and done NOTHING good for it. Close to 40% of Christians now say - "trinity is bogus." That's good news!