Who Made God?

[boatsnguitars]

It's a fair question to ask how a perfect Being, Omni in every (Good) way, and has all the attributes Theists claim simply happened to exist. The odds of this happening must be staggering.

In fact, imagine how a God - let's say God A - is exactly like OmniGod, but with one ounce of difference in their - oh, let's say sense of beauty. It's 99.999999999% perfect in establishing the objective measure of beauty, but not quite perfect. Would we know? Would we care? What if it was only 60% perfect?
What if anyone of it's attributes were less than 100% - would we know?

Then there are an infinite number of Gods: GodB, GodC.... each with just a little difference. - Yet, Theists can't know which, or explain how they would know if, say, God is Perfect in every way (which is problematic), or just really nice in a few ways that make us Apes very impressed.

I think Theists simply claim God is Perfect, and they try to convince us with an argument that goes: If you can imagine it, it's true. (Ontological Argument)

So, a couple things for Theists to ponder:

1. How do you explain the simple happenstance that a Perfect Being simply exists in it's Perfect, Full Form just as a matter of fact?
2. How do you know God is perfect? (No, claiming the Bible says it doesn't count)
3. How do you know - since God is timeless - that we aren't in the beginning stages of a God being developed. 15 billion years would be a mere blip in time for God, so how do we know we aren't part of God's Evolution? (After all, we have evidence that Evolution exists - not that Beings simply always existed.)
4. How is the answer "God is eternal and doesn't need an explanation" sufficient, but not the same answer for the Big Bang under atheism?

[William]

[Replying to boatsnguitars in post #67]

The point of the phrased question "What kind of Being would create a universe like this? " is that one could at least get some glimpse at what such a being might well be like, by examining and working out the creation, as best as we possibly are able to.

That is not a question I would think to ask, if I were being a serious person.

What question would you think to ask in your serious persona?

[boatsnguitars]

[Replying to boatsnguitars in post #67]

The point of the phrased question "What kind of Being would create a universe like this? " is that one could at least get some glimpse at what such a being might well be like, by examining and working out the creation, as best as we possibly are able to.

That is not a question I would think to ask, if I were being a serious person.

What question would you think to ask in your serious persona?

Why have we created a world like this?

[William]

[Replying to boatsnguitars in post #67]

The point of the phrased question "What kind of Being would create a universe like this? " is that one could at least get some glimpse at what such a being might well be like, by examining and working out the creation, as best as we possibly are able to.

That is not a question I would think to ask, if I were being a serious person.

What question would you think to ask in your serious persona?

Why have we created a world like this?

Is "Who Made God?" a serious question?

[boatsnguitars]

[Replying to boatsnguitars in post #67]

The point of the phrased question "What kind of Being would create a universe like this? " is that one could at least get some glimpse at what such a being might well be like, by examining and working out the creation, as best as we possibly are able to.

That is not a question I would think to ask, if I were being a serious person.

What question would you think to ask in your serious persona?

Why have we created a world like this?

Is "Who Made God?" a serious question?

Yes.

[boatsnguitars]

The OP addresses the issue that Theists refuse to consider because in their minds they have a receptacle to put any quality they need to serve as a starting point for everything. They call it God.
There is no need for Theists to invent this creature, God. They simply want.
After all, something has to explain why God decided to make a universe. What caused that impulse? What formed the idea? What formed the ability for God to have thoughts in the first place? What formed the pathways for thoughts, an an immaterial being, so that those thoughts would make logical sense in order to form words, sentences, and then speak: Let there be Light"
And what created the ability for some action by a God become effective?
Some framework of reality must have preceded all the acts of god.

The parsimonious explanation is that the cause of the universe was not an eternal, immutable Being, but an evolving random process that developed - eventually - into neural pathways in homo sapiens who would, in their ignorance, create gods.