otseng wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 6:25 am
No, it's not just logic. Since you're claiming God is unjust, it is your moral judgment. Fundamentally, this is the flaw in your argument. Also, as I've argued, God was not unjust in his actions.
We have been over this.
It's Bible language. Bible says God is perfectly just.
Unjust is just the antonym of just.
otseng wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 6:25 am
As you acknowledged, a homosexual can be celibate, so God would have no problem with that person.
Also, heterosexuals can engage in male on male sex. As a matter of fact, this was probably the main case in ancient history.
1.
Q: Wait what ? A heterosexual can engage in male on male sex.
Q: In what world, delulu land?
Males need to be atracted sexually to get an erection. This attraction comes instintively. It's not a choice. You either have it or not.
Those that are attracted to both females and males are called bisexuals.
2.
A person who engages in sex with same sex persons is a gay person.
Ergo God has a dislike for such a person: gay. Ergo God is homophobic.
otseng wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 6:25 am
You're the one imputing these supposed attributes on God, not the Bible.
Nonsense.
We have been over this already.
The Bible portrays God as omniperfect as it does as omniscient.
I have showed this:
"Omnibenevolence and omniscience:
You agreed God is omnibenevolent and omniscient.
God is perfectly good:
"who does no wrong", “is righteous in all his ways”, “God is light; in him there is no darkness at all”.
God is perfect in his works:
"his works are perfect".
God is perfect in his speech and his words:
"his way is perfect: The Lord’s word is flawless;"
God is perfect in his justice:
"all his ways are just"
“He is the Rock, his works are perfect,
and all his ways are just.
A faithful God who does no wrong,
upright and just is he.”
“31 “As for God, his way is perfect:
The Lord’s word is flawless;
he shields all who take refuge in him.”
“48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.”
“For the Lord is good and his love endures forever;
his faithfulness continues through all generations.”
“17 The Lord is righteous in all his ways
and faithful in all he does.”
“16 And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.
God is love. “
“5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.”
“8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”
"8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love."
Omnipotence:
The modern Christian logic is the below verses are saying God is doing anything-"all things" that are logically possible. The verses prompted ideas of omnipotence.
"But Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”"
"For nothing will be impossible with God.”
"I can do all things through him who strengthens me."
"Jesus looked at them and said, “With man it is impossible, but not with God. For all things are possible with God.”"
In case of negating omnibenevolence:
1.A benevolent, omnipotent, omniscient Being cannot but love all, show benevolence to all equally or be ignorant to all equally because it does not have reasons to do otherwise and because it knows all, knows this too. Ergo it is omnibenevolent too.
Doing otherwise will make the being not only not be omniscient, but severely ignorant.
2.You cannot have a being that is perfect in its works("his works are perfect") and the same time does imperfect things like not loving all equally or be benevolence to all equally."
otseng wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 6:25 am
You left out "But what's under discussion is ethics, not God's omniscience." Yes, I'm waving away your statements because it is a red herring. We're discussing the ethics of the Old Testament, not God's omniscience.
Were discussing the contradiction between God attributes and Gods actions. Ergo a certain God attribute: omniscience is put on analysis against God's actions.
otseng wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 6:25 am
And where does the Bible explicitly say God is unjust or unloving and not from your moral judgment?
It's an indirect observation infferred from Gods action using meaning of concepts, words.
otseng wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 6:25 am
There is nothing wrong per se with being angry or jealous or even regretful.
Q: There is nothing wrong logically with a being with perfect knowledge to be regretful?
Q: How come?
otseng wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 6:25 am
Of course humans have a sex drive and an eating appetite. But in both cases, there are cases where such activity can be harmful. These are a result of conscious choices and not purely instinctual actions.
But we are not talking of rape or gluttony.
We are talking of simply having sex like simply eating.
Simply eating which comes from a food appetite drive is ok.
Simply having sex which comes from a sex drive is not ok.
Which off course is stupid and illogical.
A omniscient being having a problem with such a thing is infinitely times more stupid and illogical.