Rest in Pieces
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Rest in Pieces
Post #1"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein
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Post #11Because without magic, the gods might not exist. Modern theists know there's no magic in the parts of the universe that they understand, so it must be in the parts that they don't.benchwarmer wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2024 8:31 amWhy some theists continue to hang their hat on misunderstood science is beyond me.
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Post #12You want the quote from Dawkins? That’s what he said.benchwarmer wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2024 8:31 amWow, more wrong claims. When will they stop?Mae von H wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2024 1:59 am [Replying to benchwarmer in post #2]
Evolution is pivotal to the atheist position and Dawkins himself, a famous scientist, said plainly that evolution gave him a reason to stop believing in God. It is those who reject God who say they need evolution, not the Christians.
Evolutions has absolutely zero to do with my position as an atheist. I was at one point a devout Christian who also understood what the scientific theory of evolution was all about and had no issues with it.
Many an atheist has said the same. It’s no wonder you stopped believing. I’ve heard this description of the path to rejecting the faith. Then there’s the atheists who became believers when they really studied real biology.
I seriously doubt any published paper in a scientific journal says they’ve discovered how God may have done it.At the time, science discovering how God may have done things was not a stumbling block.
We’ve already covered this.I became an atheist due to research in the Bible, the church, and theism in general.
They don’t misunderstand it. They go where the evidence leads. But you just attack the person, not the argument. Sigh!Why some theists continue to hang their hat on misunderstood science is beyond me. It's not helping your cause whatsoever. When claims are shown to be untrue, it's not helping your position or converting anyone. If anything, it's likely driving people the other direction. So, I guess good job, keep it up!
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Post #13I was talking about me. You made a sweeping generalization about atheists based on a single one.Mae von H wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2024 12:17 pmYou want the quote from Dawkins? That’s what he said.benchwarmer wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2024 8:31 amWow, more wrong claims. When will they stop?Mae von H wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2024 1:59 am [Replying to benchwarmer in post #2]
Evolution is pivotal to the atheist position and Dawkins himself, a famous scientist, said plainly that evolution gave him a reason to stop believing in God. It is those who reject God who say they need evolution, not the Christians.
I have no clue what you are on about now.Mae von H wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2024 12:17 pmEvolutions has absolutely zero to do with my position as an atheist. I was at one point a devout Christian who also understood what the scientific theory of evolution was all about and had no issues with it.
Many an atheist has said the same. It’s no wonder you stopped believing. I’ve heard this description of the path to rejecting the faith. Then there’s the atheists who became believers when they really studied real biology.
I explained why I stopped believing and it had nothing to do with any scientific theories.
I find it hilarious that now you are talking about 'real' biology while at the same time disregarding one of the most well studied and well evidenced theories in biology. Surely you can't think this is convincing readers to your side can you? Like I said, keep digging the hole with bogus, unevidenced claims.
Ok, I don't want to sound insulting, but you really seem to have a reading comprehension issue. It's like you are seeing red and not actually reading what I wrote, but what you instead want to attack.
Where did I say anything about published papers mentioning God?
When I was a Christian I believed God was the author of everything. Science was merely a tool for possibly discovering information about His creation. That's it. If we as a human species discover that living organisms evolve (which we now know that they do, scientists have proven this in the lab with living bacteria plus all the other evidence that came before those experiments) then it must have just been part of the grand plan. That's how I saw it then.
Now you come along and say evolution is pivotal to our atheist position. Once again, you are wrong, that's just a fact. If it helps you sleep better at night believing that lie, then have at it. You do your fellow Christians a disservice by making these false claims.
Yes we have, but apparently you just ignored it and pretended evolution had anything to do with it. Classic strawman. What's next, gaslighting me?
I've posted links to papers, articles, and even scripture to back my claims while attacking your ideas and claims. I'm sorry if others refuting your claims with evidence feels like a personal attack, but it's not.Mae von H wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2024 12:17 pmThey don’t misunderstand it. They go where the evidence leads. But you just attack the person, not the argument. Sigh!Why some theists continue to hang their hat on misunderstood science is beyond me. It's not helping your cause whatsoever. When claims are shown to be untrue, it's not helping your position or converting anyone. If anything, it's likely driving people the other direction. So, I guess good job, keep it up!
I will admit that now it's starting to get personal. You are repeatedly misrepresenting what I say in a vain attempt to make some point. I'll just keep refuting your bad claims with evidence. Readers can make of it what they will.
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Re: Rest in Pieces
Post #14In the US, 4% of the general public is atheist, but among biologists, that's 41%. I suspect that number would actually be higher, but Pew lumps the medical field in with biologists.
Unlike 41% of the biologists, I guess.
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Post #15How about a pterodactyl brooch! Though it is already available it seems:
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Post #16The field of biology is governed by those who believe in evolution full stop. If you don’t publish, you perish. If you don’t promote evolution, you don’t publish. So honesty is not a virtue that is easily found. Conformity is demanded. The Intelligent Design side are able to follow where the science leads. The evolutionists follow where the scientists lead.Difflugia wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2024 2:47 pmIn the US, 4% of the general public is atheist, but among biologists, that's 41%. I suspect that number would actually be higher, but Pew lumps the medical field in with biologists.
Unlike 41% of the biologists, I guess.
I’ve read papers that didn’t address origins at all and what one believed as to how complex life forms became such played no role at all. Nevertheless they had to mention evolution or they’d never make it. It’s like reading political developments in the US and the writers constantly referred to Lincoln.
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