(U) God also has many other attributes - love, patient, just, merciful, etc. Just because God has an attribute doesn't mean all the attributes mean the same. With your argument, then mercy makes right, love makes right, just makes right, etc.
POI According to who or what? His say-so, or, because of reason(s) outside of his say-so? It cannot be both, I'll explain below.
(U) Don't follow your logic. What exactly did Turek state that makes me creating the forum to set what is right arbitrary?
POI Did you arbitrarily make up some rules, or did you make up rules based upon reasons outside of your arbitrary choosing? I'll give you an example...
I create a board game. A rule in which I created states that every time one rolls a '5', you take one step forward. Did I create this rule arbitrarily, or because of reason(s) outside my own personal whim(s)?
(U) The why doesn't matter. Did I the provide the justification for the rules on the rules page? No. Do they still define what is the right behavior that is expected on the forum? Yes. Are they actually right for this forum? Yes. Has anybody asked for the why for the rules before? No.
POI Pointing to the WHY is what demonstrates my point. As I told you prior, we know why the said bullies and mafia bosses did what they did, for money! Why does God hate anal sex? Is it because he says so, or, does he abide by reason(s) outside his necessity? It cannot be both. I'll explain below.
I asked you why, to demonstrate a point. I already know it is not merely because you say so. You abide by reason(s) completely outside your say-so. Which then means, the authority, you in this case, is no longer necessary. I honestly do not look at the ruleset in this forum. I abide by my own set of 'morals' to assure I do not get kicked off this forum. It is not necessary for you to tell me the rules. For the most part, if I break a rule, I usually know I'm doing it ahead of time without reading what rules you put in place. And if you happen to place a rule in there, in which I do not agree with, you, being the authority of this forum, is not what makes the rule actually right, unless you can substantiate the given rule, using reason(s) outside your whim(s) to decide to create the said rule in the first place.
(U) At a minimum, it is subjectively right for that particular area of domain (US, a kingdom, this forum). What would make something objectively right? The only basis would be if it could be traced back to God.
POI Negative. God states what is right, based upon his own nature, or whim(s). If his nature happened to be that raping every firstborn child is a necessity, then this would also be what is "right". God's nature happens to be to think that anal sex is an abomination. Hence, it is truth?
(U) God's nature is not arbitrary
POI Does this mean God bases his laws upon reason(s), which no longer necessitates him at all? Arbitrary - "
based on a personal whim, rather than any reason or system."
(U) Yes, I've given both religious and secular reasons why anal sex is bad.
POI Then you do not need God to justify the position. We only need to evaluate the reason(s) or systems to determine if anal sex is objectively bad or not.
(U) Providing both does not mean the other is nullified, but rather provides additional support to each.
POI It kind of does. If you take away the reason(s), all you have left is God's whims or God's nature. If you take away God's whims or God's nature, you are left to critique the reason(s).
(U) And I have to ask again, what is exactly stated that I have not addressed?
POI Did you watch the 1st video at least? It's only 3 minutes long. He gives a third asserted option. But this option is circular, as the 2nd 4-minute video explains. I asked if you had a 4th option - (outside of the three given options)? I do not recall much of any follow up here?
(U) "Rich" is not a moral term. Where does the Bible say it is wrong to be rich?
POI It is to Jesus. 'Rich' becomes a moral construct merely because Jesus weighs in on it. (i.e.):
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Come now, you rich, weep and howl for the miseries that are coming upon you. Your riches have rotted and your garments are moth-eaten. Your gold and silver have corroded, and their corrosion will be evidence against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have laid up treasure in the last days. Behold, the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, are crying out against you, and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts. You have lived on the earth in luxury and in self-indulgence. You have fattened your hearts in a day of slaughter." James 5:1-6
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For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God." Luke 18:25
(U) There is no normative claim about being rich in the Bible (or in any human laws), so being rich is not even relevant to morality.
POI Yes it is, to Jesus. Jesus tells folks that being rich is bad. Just like the OT God tells folks that 'anal sex' is bad.
(U) You're not even talking about morality when discussing being rich.
POI Yes I am. The Bible God weighs in on it, so it becomes a moral construct. And as I've stated, theists will tell unbelievers that their assessment about 'morals' cannot be justified without the assertion of a supernatural agency telling them what is right or wrong. And yet, they will trip all over themselves by justifying the rightness or wrongness of something, using reason(s), which falls outside the scope of God's say-so. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.
(U) Yes, I'm providing more rubberstamping of corrections of your false attributions. Here's what I stated: "I'm not saying anything not explicitly prohibited in the Bible is okay. Nothing is mentioned about many things, but that doesn't mean they are okay. But, if one wants to interpret the Leviticus passages as encompassing all sexual activity, they are free to do so. But, I believe it's specifically referring to anal sex."
POI Sure

All other "gay sex" acts are fine by God then.
(U) God gives people their moral intuition, but that doesn't mean we all have perfect or identical moral judgments and behavior. We are still fallen and prone to sin and have skewed moral judgments. So just because some people have a certain stance on morality doesn't mean that is how God views it.
POI This is exactly what I stated prior: Post 3987:
Christian moral realism 101 -- If your morals agree with God, then God gave them to you. If they do not, then they are being intercepted by evil/other.
I guess this means that because I do not think anal sex is an abomination, I must be plagued by evil/other.

In case anyone is wondering... The avatar quote states the following:
"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."