Jesus is God - Acts 20:28

[Wootah]

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28 Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood.

So we are to pay careful attention and care for the church of God, which He obtained with his own blood.

Isn't it clear that God obtained the church with his own blood?

[onewithhim]

Why did Jesus die on a cross?

Bible tells the reason was this:

For to this end Christ died, rose, and lived again, that he might be Lord of both the dead and the living.
Romans 14:9
Most assuredly, I tell you, the hour comes, and now is, when the dead will hear the Son of God's voice; and those who hear will live.
John 5:25
Behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from the top to the bottom. The earth quaked and the rocks were split. The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised;
Matt. 27:51-52

This is basically copied to the Lord of the rings, The return of the king, where Aragorn goes to the place where dead people are and gathers back those who are loyal to him. Similarly Jesus went to death and took those who were loyal to God with him and so he became also the lord of the dead.

How do you mean "Jesus went to death and took those who were loyal to God with him"? What does that mean?

[1213]

Why did Jesus die on a cross?

Bible tells the reason was this:

For to this end Christ died, rose, and lived again, that he might be Lord of both the dead and the living.
Romans 14:9
Most assuredly, I tell you, the hour comes, and now is, when the dead will hear the Son of God's voice; and those who hear will live.
John 5:25
Behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from the top to the bottom. The earth quaked and the rocks were split. The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised;
Matt. 27:51-52

This is basically copied to the Lord of the rings, The return of the king, where Aragorn goes to the place where dead people are and gathers back those who are loyal to him. Similarly Jesus went to death and took those who were loyal to God with him and so he became also the lord of the dead.

How do you mean "Jesus went to death and took those who were loyal to God with him"? What does that mean?

I understand that so that the people who have died (bodily), are in a place waiting. And when Jesus died, he went to that place and took those who believed him with him, freed them from that place. I think that is what those scriptures indicates. But, I maybe wrong in that.

[onewithhim]

Why did Jesus die on a cross?

Bible tells the reason was this:

For to this end Christ died, rose, and lived again, that he might be Lord of both the dead and the living.
Romans 14:9
Most assuredly, I tell you, the hour comes, and now is, when the dead will hear the Son of God's voice; and those who hear will live.
John 5:25
Behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from the top to the bottom. The earth quaked and the rocks were split. The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised;
Matt. 27:51-52

This is basically copied to the Lord of the rings, The return of the king, where Aragorn goes to the place where dead people are and gathers back those who are loyal to him. Similarly Jesus went to death and took those who were loyal to God with him and so he became also the lord of the dead.

How do you mean "Jesus went to death and took those who were loyal to God with him"? What does that mean?

I understand that so that the people who have died (bodily), are in a place waiting. And when Jesus died, he went to that place and took those who believed him with him, freed them from that place. I think that is what those scriptures indicates. But, I maybe wrong in that.

If the dead know nothing (Ecclesiastes 9:5), how can they be waiting somewhere? And when Jesus died he stayed dead for three days. He didn't go anywhere. The place you are referring to is the place where the demons are, and it is they that Jesus went to see after his resurrection. (I Peter 3:19,20)

[1213]

Why did Jesus die on a cross?

...
For to this end Christ died, rose, and lived again, that he might be Lord of both the dead and the living.
Romans 14:9
Most assuredly, I tell you, the hour comes, and now is, when the dead will hear the Son of God's voice; and those who hear will live.
John 5:25
Behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from the top to the bottom. The earth quaked and the rocks were split. The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised;
Matt. 27:51-52
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...

...

If the dead know nothing (Ecclesiastes 9:5), how can they be waiting somewhere? And when Jesus died he stayed dead for three days. He didn't go anywhere. The place you are referring to is the place where the demons are, and it is they that Jesus went to see after his resurrection. (I Peter 3:19,20)

Even if person would not be unconscious, it would not mean he could not be waiting. It can be true that dead body knows nothing. But, also Solomon says, spirit returns to God and that God will bring everyone to judgment.

then the dust shall return to the earth as it was, and the spirit shall return to God who gave it.
Ecc. 12:7
For God shall bring every work into judgment, with all that is hidden, whether it is good, or whether it is evil.
Ecc. 12:14

I believe the people who have died, are either in "Hades" or "Abraham's bosom". And, I think the words of Jesus means, he went to those places and took with him those who received him.

And it came to pass, that the poor man died, and that he was carried away by the messengers to the bosom of Abraham--and the rich man also died, and was buried; and in the hades having lifted up his eyes, being in torments, he doth see Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom,
Luke 16:22-23

If you disagree with that, please explain what do you think John 5:25 and Matt. 27:51-52 means?

[Revelations won]

To all respondents,

The following Scripture answers and clarifies misunderstandings regarding the state of our spirits while awaiting the resurrection:

1 Peter 3:
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For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

It appears that you fail to understand what happens what happen at death. The scripture above clearly states that Christ like the Rest of us
Suffers the death of the body.

His spirit body did not suffer death, but was “quickened by the Spirit.” By which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison who were disobedient when they lived on the earth during the days of Noah. Yes their bodies of flesh were dead and they were still awaiting their day of resurrection.

This great event appears to have occurred between the time of Christ death and his resurrection. Obviously Christs spirt body was quickened and he went unto those who had died who lived during the days of Noah. We sometimes refer to this as the “spirit prison” as the place where those who had not received the gospel in this life and those who had rejected the gospel while in this life are sent until they repent and become worthy to receive a resurrection wherein their physical body could be reunited with their spirit body in the resurrection.

The scriptures make it very clear that we are all spirit children of God our Father.

The resurrection is clearly the immortal reuniting of our spirit body with our physical body of flesh and bone at the time of our resurrection.

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By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
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Which sometime were disobedient, when once the long suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
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The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
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Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

[onewithhim]

Why did Jesus die on a cross?

...
For to this end Christ died, rose, and lived again, that he might be Lord of both the dead and the living.
Romans 14:9
Most assuredly, I tell you, the hour comes, and now is, when the dead will hear the Son of God's voice; and those who hear will live.
John 5:25
Behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from the top to the bottom. The earth quaked and the rocks were split. The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised;
Matt. 27:51-52
...

...

...

If the dead know nothing (Ecclesiastes 9:5), how can they be waiting somewhere? And when Jesus died he stayed dead for three days. He didn't go anywhere. The place you are referring to is the place where the demons are, and it is they that Jesus went to see after his resurrection. (I Peter 3:19,20)

Even if person would not be unconscious, it would not mean he could not be waiting. It can be true that dead body knows nothing. But, also Solomon says, spirit returns to God and that God will bring everyone to judgment.

then the dust shall return to the earth as it was, and the spirit shall return to God who gave it.
Ecc. 12:7

That "spirit" is nothing more than God's Holy Spirit that keeps a person alive. It is like His power that gives life to an individual, not another version of the person that leaves the body at death. A person who dies is really dead, not living somewhere else.

[onewithhim]

Why did Jesus die on a cross?

...
For to this end Christ died, rose, and lived again, that he might be Lord of both the dead and the living.
Romans 14:9
Most assuredly, I tell you, the hour comes, and now is, when the dead will hear the Son of God's voice; and those who hear will live.
John 5:25
Behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from the top to the bottom. The earth quaked and the rocks were split. The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised;
Matt. 27:51-52
...

...

...

If the dead know nothing (Ecclesiastes 9:5), how can they be waiting somewhere? And when Jesus died he stayed dead for three days. He didn't go anywhere. The place you are referring to is the place where the demons are, and it is they that Jesus went to see after his resurrection. (I Peter 3:19,20)

I believe the people who have died, are either in "Hades" or "Abraham's bosom". And, I think the words of Jesus means, he went to those places and took with him those who received him.

And it came to pass, that the poor man died, and that he was carried away by the messengers to the bosom of Abraham--and the rich man also died, and was buried; and in the hades having lifted up his eyes, being in torments, he doth see Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom,
Luke 16:22-23

If you disagree with that, please explain what do you think John 5:25 and Matt. 27:51-52 means?

"Hades" is the Greek word for "hell," and it means "the grave." People who are there are in their graves and they have no consciousness. "Abraham's Bosom" is a symbolic way of saying accepted by God and being close to Him. All of Luke 16 is a metaphor for how the Pharisees were in trouble with God ("the greater Abraham"), and "Lazarus" meant the common people who accepted Jesus. It is not describing a literal fire or a literal quenching of the flames by administering one drop of water. It's all symbolic.

John 5:25 refers to the Resurrection, when Jesus calls the dead out of their graves to stand up again on the earth. Verse 28 corroborates that verse: "Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in their graves will hear his voice and come out." It is simply the bringing back to life all those in their graves, who have been unconscious and truly dead.

Matthew 27:51-52 refers to an earthquake that happened when Jesus died where bodies of people were thrown up out of their tombs, and people who were going by saw them on their way into the city. It happens today in places where there has been an earthquake or a flood. The dead people weren't resurrected at that time. Jesus said he would resurrect people in the last day (John 6:44).

[onewithhim]

To all respondents,

The following Scripture answers and clarifies misunderstandings regarding the state of our spirits while awaiting the resurrection:

1 Peter 3:
18
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

It appears that you fail to understand what happens what happen at death. The scripture above clearly states that Christ like the Rest of us
Suffers the death of the body.

His spirit body did not suffer death, but was “quickened by the Spirit.” By which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison who were disobedient when they lived on the earth during the days of Noah. Yes their bodies of flesh were dead and they were still awaiting their day of resurrection.

This great event appears to have occurred between the time of Christ death and his resurrection.

You fail to understand what happens at death. A person is truly dead and is unconscious in his grave. Nothing leaves his body. The "spirit" is God's own Holy Spirit that is His active force that keeps a person alive. When the person dies God's spirit "goes back" to God because God is the Source of life.

Another version of the Bible says this about I Peter 3:18: "For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that he might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit." He died in his fleshly body, but was raised up three days later as a spirit being. (New American Standard Bible).

He went in this spirit body to speak to the spirits in prison, meaning the demons who disobeyed in Noah's day and have been relegated to "Tartarus," or, a debased spiritual condition. This happened AFTER the three days that Jesus was dead. There is no indication that he went somewhere during the time that he was dead.

[Revelations won]

Dear onewithhim,

You said:

" He went in this spirit body to speak to the spirits in prison, meaning the demons who disobeyed in Noah's day and have been relegated to "Tartarus," or, a debased spiritual condition. This happened AFTER the three days that Jesus was dead. There is no indication that he went somewhere during the time that he was dead."

Can you clarify what "spirit body" you mean when Christ went and preached to those who were disobedient in the days of Noah?

Also can you show from the Bible that his visit was after his resurrection?

Also can you give me the verses that state that he preached to demons who were in prison?

Also the scripture states that those to whom he preached would apparently repent and live according to God in the spirit. and be judged according to men in the flesh.

What and who are the demons you refer to???

[1213]

"Hades" is the Greek word for "hell," and it means "the grave." People who are there are in their graves and they have no consciousness.

Interesting, so, when Revelation tells about Hades and death, what do you think the death means?

...Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them.....
Rev. 20:12-15

Matthew 27:51-52 refers to an earthquake that happened when Jesus died where bodies of people were thrown up out of their tombs, and people who were going by saw them on their way into the city. It happens today in places where there has been an earthquake or a flood. The dead people weren't resurrected at that time. Jesus said he would resurrect people in the last day (John 6:44).

It continues by saying they went to the city and appeared to many. I don't know how that can be understood that the dead corpses just floated to the city.

Behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from the top to the bottom. The earth quaked and the rocks were split. The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and having come forth out of the tombs after his rising, they went into the holy city, and appeared to many.
Matt. 27:51-53

I think that explains why certain graves and bodies can't be found anywhere.