Grace (and/or) Belief/Faith (and/or) Works?

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Seems there exists an unresolved topic amongst Christians... Seems as though the way to salvation is not unified among the many in which I engage. I'd wager they all have a case to support their position(s).?.?

For debate: How does one get to Heaven? What is God's criteria for His selection process? Is it by grace alone, belief/faith alone, works alone; or it is a combination of the three? Or is it maybe other? Please, not only present your case, but please also explain why the other asserted methods are incorrect.

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...Noah was not "sinless" in his acts, unless you wish to argue he was?...

How do you define sin? I have understood it means to reject God, or to be without God. If Noah "walked with God", I don't think he had sin. But, that does not necessary mean he could not have made mistakes.

Further, let's play devil's advocate for moment. If Noah, and some others were/are righteous, then why did God drown them?

I don't think there was anyone else during Noah's time.

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...It looks like what makes Righteous is being on the right side, Works don't matter, but believing the right things do.

Again, if you believe right things, you also work right things. If you say you believe, but don't act accordingly, you are lying. Believing obviously matters, also works matters, but, if person is not righteous, he will not believe and he will not act righteously.

...not works that makes a person Righteous, at least in the view of Religion.

I think it would be best to remain in what is said in the Bible, instead of following "religion".

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How do you define sin? I have understood it means to reject God, or to be without God. If Noah "walked with God", I don't think he had sin. But, that does not necessary mean he could not have made mistakes.

Any act in which God labels as such. There are many listed in the Bible, and many I reckon you would label a mistake/sin, which is not listed.

I don't think there was anyone else during Noah's time.

The plot thickens. Noah apparently had 7 other people on the Ark with him. If Noah was the only 'righteous' one, then God spared others who are not 'righteous'?

[TRANSPONDER]

...It looks like what makes Righteous is being on the right side, Works don't matter, but believing the right things do.

Again, if you believe right things, you also work right things. If you say you believe, but don't act accordingly, you are lying. Believing obviously matters, also works matters, but, if person is not righteous, he will not believe and he will not act righteously.

Sin, like righteousness, are just misleading buzzwords. Righteousness can come with the non -believer as much as with the believer. And the believer's religion can lead them to do worse than if they has no such belief. The whole matters of sin, evil, righteousness and relating to your fellow yumung beans is best left to law and ethics and not handed over to priests and preachers, who produce as many bad example as good.

...not works that makes a person Righteous, at least in the view of Religion.

I think it would be best to remain in what is said in the Bible, instead of following "religion".

That is what I do. You don't, but fiddle what it says to suit your own personal 'religion'.

I take the Bible to say what is in there, subjected to a bit of critique. I don't invent or ignore stuff to make my 'belief' work.

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Sin, like righteousness, are just misleading buzzwords.

Maybe when you use them.

Righteousness can come with the non -believer as much as with the believer.

I think it depends on what is the matter of belief.

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Any act in which God labels as such. There are many listed in the Bible

Please give one example.

and many I reckon you would label a mistake/sin, which is not listed.

I label rejecting God, or being without God as the only sin.

The plot thickens. Noah apparently had 7 other people on the Ark with him. If Noah was the only 'righteous' one, then God spared others who are not 'righteous'?

I may be wrong in this, I don't know were they righteous. I believe only Noah was, and his family was saved because of that.

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Please give one example.

Seriously? It's anything your believed upon God does not like. Take your pick. Here is some. (i.e.):

Abominable – Rev 21:8
Addiction – Eph 5:18
Adultery – Gal 5:19-21, Matt 19:18-19
Anxiety – Phil 14:6
Apathy – Rev 3:15-16
Argumentative – Rom 16:17
Bigotry – 1Tim 5:21
Backbiters – Rom 1:26-32
Bitterness – Eph 4:31
Blasphemy – Mark 7:21-22
Boasters – Rom 1:26-32
Calling people a fool – Matt 5:22
Cheating – Prov 11:1, 12:22
Chronic lateness – Gal 5:14, 1Cor 13:5
Coarse joking – Eph 5:4
Covenant breakers – Rom 1:26-32
Covetousness – Rom 1:26-32
Criticism – Heb 10:24
Debate – Rom 1:26-32
Deceit – Rom 1:26-32
Depression – Gal 5:22
Despiteful – Rom 1:26-32
Defilers – 1Tim 1:9-10
Disobedient – 1Tim 1:9-10, to parents – Rom 1:26-32
Dissension – Rom 16:17
Divorce (except for sexual immorality)– Matt 5:32
Drunkenness - Gal 5:19-21, Eph 5:18
Emulations (ambition or endeavor to equal or excel others) – Gal 5:19-21
Envy – Gal 5:19-21, Prov 14:30
Evil Thoughts – Mark 7:21-22
Fearful – Rev 21:8
Foolish Talk – Eph 5:4
Fornication – Gal 5:19-21
Greed – Eph 5:3, Luke 12:15
Gluttony – 1Cor 10:31, 2Peter 1:2-7
Haters of God - Rom 1:26-32
Hatred – Gal 5:19-21
Heresies - Gal 5:19-21
Homosexuality – Rom 1:26-32, 1Tim 1:9-10
Hypocrisy – Matt 7:5
Idolatry – Gal 5:19-21, Col 3:5
Immorality – Eph 5:5, 1Cor5:1
Implacable (cannot be calmed)– Rom 1:26-32
Inventors of evil things – Rom 1:26-32
Jealousy - James 3:13
Lasciviousness (unbridled lust, shamelessness) – Gal 5:19-21
Lawless – 1Tim 1:9-10
Lust - Rom 1:26-32, Matt 5:28
Lying – Bear False witness – Matt 19:18-19, 1Tim 1:9-10
Maliciousness - Rom 1:26-32
Ungodly – 1Tim 1:9-10
Malignity (disposition to do evil, malice) – Rom 1:26-32
Materialism – Col 3:5
Murder – Gal 5:19-21, Matt 19:18-19
Negativism – Col 3:10
Neglect God’s Word – Ps 1:2, 119:11
Neglect Prayer – 1Thes 5:17
No Concern for the Lost – 2Tim 3:1-4
No Faith – Luke 12:28
No trust in God – Ps 37:5
Non-repentance – Luke 13:3; Prov 28:13
Not honoring your father and mother – Matt 19:18-19
Not loving your neighbor as yourself – Matt 19:18-19
Occult involvement – Gal 5:20
Passivity – James 4:17
Pornography – Matt 5:28
Prejudice – 1Tim 5:21
Pride – Rom 1:26-32, Jer 9:23-24, Prov 8:13
Perjuring (willfully making a false statement) – 1Tim 1:9-10
Procrastination – Prov 13:4, 15:19
Profanity – 1Tim 1:9-10, Eph 4:29
Quenching the Holy Spirit – Eph 4:30
Rebellion to authority – 1Sam 15:23
Resentment – Eph 4:31
Revellings (to revel in luxury, wild party) - Gal 5:19-21
Seditions (violence against lawful civil authority)– Gal 5:19-21
Selfishness – Gal 2:20
Slander – Eph 4:31
Sloth – Prov 6:6
Speaking Obscenities – Eph 5:4
Stealing – Matt 19:18-19
Strife – Gal 5:19-21
Unbelieving – Rev 21:8
Uncleanness - Gal 5:19-21, Eph 5:3-7
Unforgiving – Matt 6:12
Unmerciful – Rom 1:26-32
Unrighteousness – Rom 1:26-32
Unholy – 1Tim 1:9-10
Vanity – Mark 7:22, 2Cor 5:12
Variance – Gal 5:19-21
Whisperers/Gossipy – Rom 1:26-32, 2Cor 7:20
Wickedness – Rom 1:26-32
Witchcraft – Gal 5:19-21
Without natural affection – Rom 1:26-32
Without understanding – Rom 1:26-32
Whoremongers (Greek - sexual immorality) – 1Tim 1:9-10
Worry – Matt 10:19; 13:21
Workaholic – Matt 6:31-33, 6:19-21
Wrath – Gal 5:19-21, Rom 12:19

I may be wrong in this, I don't know were they righteous. I believe only Noah was, and his family was saved because of that.

So does this mean if God deems a person in one's family "righteous", the rest are auto-saved too? If so, maybe the answer is A) and/or B)?

[TRANSPONDER]

Sin, like righteousness, are just misleading buzzwords.

Maybe when you use them.

Definitely when one understand the different way they can be used - which evidently you don't.

Righteousness can come with the non -believer as much as with the believer.

I think it depends on what is the matter of belief.

It depends on the various ways righteousness can come about, through different religions or none. If you inmsist bit can only come though one religion, then you are agreeing with me - belief is Faith in a particular religion and not in doing good works.

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...If you inmsist bit can only come though one religion, then you are agreeing with me - belief is Faith in a particular religion and not in doing good works.

I don't think righteousness comes through religion. And faith means faithfulness, which means loyalty. It is not the same as belief. And, if person is is faithful and believes, he will do good works.

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Seriously? It's anything your believed upon God does not like. Take your pick. Here is some. (i.e.):

Abominable – Rev 21:8...

That doesn't seem to have the word sin, I doubt that any of the scriptures you gave has the word sin. There can be many things that God doesn't like, but that does not necessary mean it is a sin.

I may be wrong in this, I don't know were they righteous. I believe only Noah was, and his family was saved because of that.

So does this mean if God deems a person in one's family "righteous", the rest are auto-saved too? If so, maybe the answer is A) and/or B)?
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It is possible that the family is saved from a great flood, if the head of the family is righteous. This doesn't necessary mean they all will get eternal life, which is promised only for righteous.