Question for debate:
Is it coherent (logical and consistent) to be supportive of the Death Penalty for some criminals, while at the same time being against all manner of abortion?
Is it coherent to favor the Death Penalty but not abortion?
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Re: Is it coherent to favor the Death Penalty but not abortion?
Post #51I wonder if there a Pro lifers out there who would support death pemalty for women who successfully aborted, or for doctors who gabe a helping hand here.Flail wrote: βSun Jun 03, 2012 6:48 pm Question for debate:
Is it coherent (logical and consistent) to be supportive of the Death Penalty for some criminals, while at the same time being against all manner of abortion?
We have already enormous law punishments for abortion doctors in states where abortion is outlawed.
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Re: Is it coherent to favor the Death Penalty but not abortion?
Post #52I don't see any logical inconsistency in such, since "pro-lifers" is often a narrow term concerning one issue (abortion) rather than an overarching worldview. As to how many anti-abortionists (i.e., pro-lifers) who support such things, I have no idea. I don't have a logical problem with the death penalty, but I don't think it is needed in our modern society since we have ways of detaining and seeking to redeem those who have done grave wrongs.The Nice Centurion wrote: βWed Apr 17, 2024 11:52 pmI wonder if there a Pro lifers out there who would support death pemalty for women who successfully aborted, or for doctors who gabe a helping hand here.Flail wrote: βSun Jun 03, 2012 6:48 pm Question for debate:
Is it coherent (logical and consistent) to be supportive of the Death Penalty for some criminals, while at the same time being against all manner of abortion?
We have already enormous law punishments for abortion doctors in states where abortion is outlawed.
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Re: Is it coherent to favor the Death Penalty but not abortion?
Post #53The logical consistency is really obvious; Would Pro-lifers in their agenda to do anything in their might to prevent abortions go so far as to support fatal punishment for abortionists ?The Tanager wrote: βThu Apr 18, 2024 10:01 amI don't see any logical consistency in such, since "pro-lifers" is often a narrow term concerning one issue (abortion) rather than an overarching worldview. As to how many anti-abortionists (i.e., pro-lifers) who support such things, I have no idea. I don't have a logical problem with the death penalty, but I don't think it is needed in our modern society since we have ways of detaining and seeking to redeem those who have done grave wrongs.The Nice Centurion wrote: βWed Apr 17, 2024 11:52 pmI wonder if there a Pro lifers out there who would support death pemalty for women who successfully aborted, or for doctors who gabe a helping hand here.Flail wrote: βSun Jun 03, 2012 6:48 pm Question for debate:
Is it coherent (logical and consistent) to be supportive of the Death Penalty for some criminals, while at the same time being against all manner of abortion?
We have already enormous law punishments for abortion doctors in states where abortion is outlawed.
Or at least for all women who ever completed a functioning abortion ?
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Re: Is it coherent to favor the Death Penalty but not abortion?
Post #54Why do you think the question doesn't interest me? I responded to it because it did interest me. Also, I changed my post to read "I don't see any logical inconsistency..." as I caught the typo after your post.The Nice Centurion wrote: βThu Apr 18, 2024 11:29 amThe logical consistency is really obvious; Would Pro-lifers in their agenda to do anything in their might to prevent abortions go so far as to support fatal punishment for abortionists ?I don't see any logical consistency in such, since "pro-lifers" is often a narrow term concerning one issue (abortion) rather than an overarching worldview. As to how many anti-abortionists (i.e., pro-lifers) who support such things, I have no idea. I don't have a logical problem with the death penalty, but I don't think it is needed in our modern society since we have ways of detaining and seeking to redeem those who have done grave wrongs.
Or at least for all women who ever completed a functioning abortion ?
Does this question not interest you ?
It is not logically inconsistent for "pro-lifers", which is a term that usually narrowly means they are against abortion not against all killing for any reason, to then turn around and be pro-death penalty for, say, serial killers (or even when any person takes the life of one other person). They could, logically, class the abortion doctor as a serial killer and, therefore, believe it warrants the death penalty. Perhaps a different label would be more helpful than "pro-life" but "pro-choice" isn't any more accurate, since "pro-choicers" don't want serial rapist's choices to be respected.
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Re: Is it coherent to favor the Death Penalty but not abortion?
Post #55"Prolifers" and "Prochoicers" are perfect descriptions for differing sides of the abortiom question solely and are commonly understood as such.The Tanager wrote: βThu Apr 18, 2024 12:10 pmWhy do you think the question doesn't interest me? I responded to it because it did interest me. Also, I changed my post to read "I don't see any logical inconsistency..." as I caught the typo after your post.The Nice Centurion wrote: βThu Apr 18, 2024 11:29 amThe logical consistency is really obvious; Would Pro-lifers in their agenda to do anything in their might to prevent abortions go so far as to support fatal punishment for abortionists ?I don't see any logical consistency in such, since "pro-lifers" is often a narrow term concerning one issue (abortion) rather than an overarching worldview. As to how many anti-abortionists (i.e., pro-lifers) who support such things, I have no idea. I don't have a logical problem with the death penalty, but I don't think it is needed in our modern society since we have ways of detaining and seeking to redeem those who have done grave wrongs.
Or at least for all women who ever completed a functioning abortion ?
Does this question not interest you ?
It is not logically inconsistent for "pro-lifers", which is a term that usually narrowly means they are against abortion not against all killing for any reason, to then turn around and be pro-death penalty for, say, serial killers (or even when any person takes the life of one other person). They could, logically, class the abortion doctor as a serial killer and, therefore, believe it warrants the death penalty. Perhaps a different label would be more helpful than "pro-life" but "pro-choice" isn't any more accurate, since "pro-choicers" don't want serial rapist's choices to be respected.
It comes to mind of course that we could extend the termini to the world of the ongoing quarrel about the rights of masturbators.
There a many Prolifers out there who propagate that "Masturbation is murder!" and "Life begins at erection!".
Lets call these people "Masturbation meddlers" (for they would meddle with masturbation) and their adversarys "Masturbating Menaces" (for them are a menace to their own sperm, which already contains the beginning of life, that now thanks to the dark desyre for masturbation will mever reach embryohood).
But that Masturbation Science aside; I think that there is a reason for why it is rather logically inconsistent that Prolifers ever would support to make abortionist women punishable by death.
Prolifers are mostly conservative evangelical christians, who tend to see women as breeders (who even should have sex for procreation only).
And you dont kill a potential breeder if in your mindset breeding is the most important thing for women to do.
For dead bodys cannot breed. Only in a horror movie I saw as kid.
What do you think ?
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Re: Is it coherent to favor the Death Penalty but not abortion?
Post #56I wouldnβt say they are perfect descriptions, but I think they are good enough to be useful.The Nice Centurion wrote: βThu Apr 18, 2024 7:57 pm"Prolifers" and "Prochoicers" are perfect descriptions for differing sides of the abortiom question solely and are commonly understood as such.
Many think it is wrong, but Iβm not sure many say it is murder; I definitely don't.The Nice Centurion wrote: βThu Apr 18, 2024 7:57 pmThere a many Prolifers out there who propagate that "Masturbation is murder!" and "Life begins at erection!".
What are your sources for this claim? That is not what most conservative evangelical Christians believe about women.The Nice Centurion wrote: βThu Apr 18, 2024 7:57 pmProlifers are mostly conservative evangelical christians, who tend to see women as breeders (who even should have sex for procreation only).