Was Jesus an angel?

Exploring the details of Christianity

Moderator: Moderators

User avatar
Wootah
Savant
Posts: 9208
Joined: Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:16 am
Has thanked: 189 times
Been thanked: 108 times

Was Jesus an angel?

Post #1

Post by Wootah »

Hebrews 2:5 It is not to angels that he has subjected the world to come, about which we are speaking. 6 But there is a place where someone has testified:

“What is mankind that you are mindful of them,
a son of man that you care for him?
7 You made them a little[a] lower than the angels;
you crowned them with glory and honor
8 and put everything under their feet.”[c]

In putting everything under them,[d] God left nothing that is not subject to them.[e] Yet at present we do not see everything subject to them.[f] 9 But we do see Jesus, who was made lower than the angels for a little while, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.


How can Jesus be an angel if he was temporarily lower than the angels?

Wouldn't it say he was temporarily the lowest of the angels?
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

Member Notes: viewtopic.php?t=33826

"Why is everyone so quick to reason God might be petty. Now that is creating God in our own image :)."

TheHolyGhost
Banned
Banned
Posts: 94
Joined: Sun Apr 21, 2024 9:09 pm
Been thanked: 2 times

Re: Was Jesus an angel?

Post #41

Post by TheHolyGhost »

JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 4:28 pm
TheHolyGhost wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 3:25 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 6:09 am
TheHolyGhost wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 10:41 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Sep 19, 2023 9:50 pm Jesus wasn't an angel when on earth ; he was a human.

Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.


Whomever wrote this disagrees with you.
I want to see how you try to make it line up
and fit with what you posted.
PHILIPIANS 2:7

No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and became human.
Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.


Whomever wrote this disagrees with you.
I want to see how you try to make it line up
and fit with what you posted.
My response is as follows ....
PHILIPIANS 2:7

No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and became human.
And your regurgitation of a response
has already been defeated by this rebuttal of your statement.

Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Whomever wrote this disagrees with you.
I want to see how you try to make it line up
and fit with what you posted.


Unless you can show how anything you say overrides this verse from your bible.
Or prove it is false.

YOU LOSE.

User avatar
JehovahsWitness
Savant
Posts: 21165
Joined: Wed Sep 29, 2010 6:03 am
Has thanked: 798 times
Been thanked: 1130 times
Contact:

Re: Was Jesus an angel?

Post #42

Post by JehovahsWitness »

TheHolyGhost wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 5:18 pm
Unless you can show how anything you say overrides this verse from ...[The] bible.
Scripture is enough ...here is what scripture says ...

PHILIPIANS 2:7

No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and became human.
INDEX: More bible based ANSWERS
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 81#p826681


"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" -
Romans 14:8

TheHolyGhost
Banned
Banned
Posts: 94
Joined: Sun Apr 21, 2024 9:09 pm
Been thanked: 2 times

Re: Was Jesus an angel?

Post #43

Post by TheHolyGhost »

JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2024 2:38 am
TheHolyGhost wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 5:18 pm
Unless you can show how anything you say overrides this verse from ...[The] bible.
Scripture is enough ...here is what scripture says ...

PHILIPIANS 2:7

No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and became human.
Show us how this you quoted proves your argument. Spell it out for us.
Step by step. You will not be able to do it without contradicting yourself or without error.
Because your doctrine is in error. And you will not be able to pass it by me.

User avatar
JehovahsWitness
Savant
Posts: 21165
Joined: Wed Sep 29, 2010 6:03 am
Has thanked: 798 times
Been thanked: 1130 times
Contact:

Re: Was Jesus an angel?

Post #44

Post by JehovahsWitness »

TheHolyGhost wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2024 2:40 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2024 2:38 am
TheHolyGhost wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 5:18 pm
Unless you can show how anything you say overrides this verse from ...[The] bible.
Scripture is enough ...here is what scripture says ...

PHILIPIANS 2:7

No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and became human.
Show us how this you quoted proves your argument.

Holy spirit and the word of God are in the words above , when God speaks no more is necessary.
INDEX: More bible based ANSWERS
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 81#p826681


"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" -
Romans 14:8

2ndpillar2
Sage
Posts: 886
Joined: Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:47 am
Been thanked: 18 times

Re: Was Jesus an angel?

Post #45

Post by 2ndpillar2 »

Wootah wrote: Tue Sep 19, 2023 6:04 pm
Hebrews 2:5 It is not to angels that he has subjected the world to come, about which we are speaking. 6 But there is a place where someone has testified:

“What is mankind that you are mindful of them,
a son of man that you care for him?
7 You made them a little[a] lower than the angels;
you crowned them with glory and honor
8 and put everything under their feet.”[c]

In putting everything under them,[d] God left nothing that is not subject to them.[e] Yet at present we do not see everything subject to them.[f] 9 But we do see Jesus, who was made lower than the angels for a little while, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.


How can Jesus be an angel if he was temporarily lower than the angels?

Wouldn't it say he was temporarily the lowest of the angels?


Your premise is incorrect. You are thinking that something some unknown author writes has any weight.

User avatar
Wootah
Savant
Posts: 9208
Joined: Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:16 am
Has thanked: 189 times
Been thanked: 108 times

Re: Was Jesus an angel?

Post #46

Post by Wootah »

2ndpillar2 wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2024 6:06 pm
Wootah wrote: Tue Sep 19, 2023 6:04 pm
Hebrews 2:5 It is not to angels that he has subjected the world to come, about which we are speaking. 6 But there is a place where someone has testified:

“What is mankind that you are mindful of them,
a son of man that you care for him?
7 You made them a little[a] lower than the angels;
you crowned them with glory and honor
8 and put everything under their feet.”[c]

In putting everything under them,[d] God left nothing that is not subject to them.[e] Yet at present we do not see everything subject to them.[f] 9 But we do see Jesus, who was made lower than the angels for a little while, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.


How can Jesus be an angel if he was temporarily lower than the angels?

Wouldn't it say he was temporarily the lowest of the angels?


Your premise is incorrect. You are thinking that something some unknown author writes has any weight.


It's the Bible. What are you on about?
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

Member Notes: viewtopic.php?t=33826

"Why is everyone so quick to reason God might be petty. Now that is creating God in our own image :)."

2ndpillar2
Sage
Posts: 886
Joined: Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:47 am
Been thanked: 18 times

Re: Was Jesus an angel?

Post #47

Post by 2ndpillar2 »

Wootah wrote: Wed Apr 24, 2024 7:50 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2024 6:06 pm
Wootah wrote: Tue Sep 19, 2023 6:04 pm
Hebrews 2:5 It is not to angels that he has subjected the world to come, about which we are speaking. 6 But there is a place where someone has testified:

“What is mankind that you are mindful of them,
a son of man that you care for him?
7 You made them a little[a] lower than the angels;
you crowned them with glory and honor
8 and put everything under their feet.”[c]

In putting everything under them,[d] God left nothing that is not subject to them.[e] Yet at present we do not see everything subject to them.[f] 9 But we do see Jesus, who was made lower than the angels for a little while, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.


How can Jesus be an angel if he was temporarily lower than the angels?

Wouldn't it say he was temporarily the lowest of the angels?


Your premise is incorrect. You are thinking that something some unknown author writes has any weight.


It's the Bible. What are you on about?


Hebrews was written by an unknown writer, and the canon most generally used, which it sets in, was compiled by a bishop of the Roman empire, in the year 367 A.D., and he was not holy, nor is that canon holy. Are "those who dwell on the earth" "deceived", surely they are. (Rev 13:14)

Post Reply