Give them all A Cups!

[Purple Knight]

Question for Debate: When they give a trans woman D cups, as part of medically necessary, insurance-covered transgender care, are they saying that having something smaller might interfere with a woman's identity as a woman and therefore a woman needs a D cup, to really feel like a woman?

If not then give them all A cups!

...When it's covered by insurance of course. When it's under the umbrella of necessary mental health care or they'll die. When they pay they can have whatever they want.

[Bust Nak]

[Replying to Purple Knight in post #1]

Just let the patient decide, why would anyone else get a say just because insurance is paying for it?

[Purple Knight]

[Replying to Bust Nak in post #2]

Because it's cosmetic. If you need breasts to feel like a woman, we'll accept that is true, but you don't need D-cups. D-cups are not medically necessary to feel like a woman, otherwise insurance should cover them for flat biological females too.

[Difflugia]

Because it's cosmetic.

Then your argument is really that insurance shouldn't cover cosmetic surgery, not just cosmetic surgery for trans people, right?

D-cups are not medically necessary to feel like a woman, otherwise insurance should cover them for flat biological females too.

Then let's just agree that it should. Easy-peasy.

[Purple Knight]

Because it's cosmetic.

Then your argument is really that insurance shouldn't cover cosmetic surgery, not just cosmetic surgery for trans people, right?

Not at all, my argument is that cosmetic surgery shouldn't be covered for some and not for others. There's a problem however in covering it for everyone and that's that there's not enough money in the world to make everyone top-tier beautiful. Even if they did seriously try, it would just mean the bar would move.

It seems like there are some trans women, but definitely not all of them and if I had to guess a very small minority, who aren't actually trans and are just opportunistic. They have noticed that trans women are always hot, and life is much easier as a very hot woman than as an average or even above-average man. We don't need to be pressuring the horrible, already leaky and bloated insurance system to pay for these people to have an easy life and $50 tips at Hooters. If it's just about having breasts they can be A-cups.

[Bust Nak]

Because it's cosmetic. If you need breasts to feel like a woman, we'll accept that is true, but you don't need D-cups. D-cups are not medically necessary to feel like a woman, otherwise insurance should cover them for flat biological females too.

They don't need A-cups either. A-cups are not medically necessary to feel like a woman, breasts are. Why are you not arguing to give them all D-cups, or give them all random cup size?

[Purple Knight]

Why are you not arguing to give them all D-cups, or give them all random cup size?

To screen out the people who aren't trans and want cosmetic surgery to turn them into a 10 for free, so they can have an easy life at everyone else's expense, because hot women have a ticket to easy street in life. If the person is really writhing in agony that they're not female enough, any breasts will do, so A is fine. If there were some crystal ball and we could see what cup size they would actually have had, if they'd been born female, I'd be all for giving them that. If you say random roll a d4, I imagine the certain people who want an easier life would just say they were trans and back out if they didn't get at least a C.

They're also devaluing beauty by getting the highest beauty from a knife. Women are judged on their looks. So every 10 they make with a knife, the 1-9s suffer for it. If it's a pie, there's no reason to cut trans women in for a big piece when doing that makes everyone else's piece smaller. And men do get desensitised to beauty from exposure to extreme beauty, requiring more to rate the woman as highly as before. Hypernormal stimuli.



I'm not saying cosmetic surgery should be illegal. But if you're going to cut yourself in for a big piece of the pie which will make everyone else's pie smaller, you'd darn well better not do it on their dime.