The Gabriel Stone: what does it tell us?

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There is a considerable debate among archeologists as to when the “Gabriel Stone� was written. If written before the time of Christ, could this be the basis of the Resurrection stories?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/3 ... 84953.html

Any opinions?

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The third day was a traditional time for resurrection which is why Jesus had to do it over three days, even though the text shows it wasn't even two.

That is not true.

It is true. Sure one can stretch it from the first (last hour Friday) ...

Bible doesn't say Jesus died on Friday.

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The third day was a traditional time for resurrection which is why Jesus had to do it over three days, even though the text shows it wasn't even two.

That is not true.

It is true. Sure one can stretch it from the first (last hour Friday) ...

Bible doesn't say Jesus died on Friday.

It doesn't take a genius to work t out. He was up on Sunday (first day of the Jewish week), day before was Sabbath (when they rested) and the day before when Jesus was put in the tomb must be Friday.

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It doesn't take a genius to work t out. He was up on Sunday (first day of the Jewish week), day before was Sabbath (when they rested) and the day before when Jesus was put in the tomb must be Friday.

There was also the Shabbat of the feast of unleavened bread.

On the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread to Yahweh. Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread. In the first day you shall have a holy convocation. You shall do no regular work. But you shall offer an offering made by fire to Yahweh seven days. In the seventh day is a holy convocation: you shall do no regular work.'"
Lev. 23:6-8

Jesus died on 14th of that month and apparently it was Wednesday. Thursday was a Shabbat day, Friday the women prepared the things for the tomb, on Saturday they rested and on Sunday they found the empty tomb.

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It doesn't take a genius to work t out. He was up on Sunday (first day of the Jewish week), day before was Sabbath (when they rested) and the day before when Jesus was put in the tomb must be Friday.

There was also the Shabbat of the feast of unleavened bread.

On the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread to Yahweh. Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread. In the first day you shall have a holy convocation. You shall do no regular work. But you shall offer an offering made by fire to Yahweh seven days. In the seventh day is a holy convocation: you shall do no regular work.'"
Lev. 23:6-8

Jesus died on 14th of that month and apparently it was Wednesday. Thursday was a Shabbat day, Friday the women prepared the things for the tomb, on Saturday they rested and on Sunday they found the empty tomb.

That doesn't alter the fact that Sunday was the first day so the Gospel of John says., that same day as resurrection followed the Sabbath.Luke says when the Sabbath was past. Matthew says 'a the end of the Sabbath as it began to days (that is half way through Sunday which began at twilight) towards the first day of the week (which is as though Matthew thought the first day of the week began at dawn which may have been the Greek way of reckoning days)', and clearly they had rested on the saturday Sabbath and the day before that when Jesus was crucified, was Friday.

Clear as Daylight (cosmic or from the sun) and it is not enough to know the Bible, one has to understand it.

Friday, Jesus taken off the cross, last hours of Friday
Saturday, Sabbath.
Sunday starts at twilight, at dawn the women approach the tomb. a couple of hours over a day and a half. Tops. Not 3 days, but one can say 'on the 3rd day'.

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That doesn't alter the fact that Sunday was the first day so the Gospel of John says., that same day as resurrection followed the Sabbath.Luke says when the Sabbath was past.

That doesn't alter the fact that it was Wednesday when Jesus died.

Matthew says 'a the end of the Sabbath as it began to days (that is half way through Sunday which began at twilight) towards the first day of the week (which is as though Matthew thought the first day of the week began at dawn which may have been the Greek way of reckoning days)'

Where do you get the idea that Matthew thought it was the dawn when the first day begun?

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That doesn't alter the fact that Sunday was the first day so the Gospel of John says., that same day as resurrection followed the Sabbath.Luke says when the Sabbath was past.

That doesn't alter the fact that it was Wednesday when Jesus died.

Matthew says 'a the end of the Sabbath as it began to days (that is half way through Sunday which began at twilight) towards the first day of the week (which is as though Matthew thought the first day of the week began at dawn which may have been the Greek way of reckoning days)'

Where do you get the idea that Matthew thought it was the dawn when the first day begun?

The evidence in the Bible shows it had to be Friday when Jesus dies d - or appeared to die. And it also shows i was about sunrise or 'dawn'when the women went to the tomb. It isn'tjust Matthew in isolation, but what all the gospels say.

Each 'witness' give a bit of the evidence and it either fits together or it doesn't.

Friday before the evening, day of preparation, before the sabbath (mark)
when evening had come Arimathea put Jesus in the tomb (Matthew).
the day of preparation when the sabbath drew on (Luke)
Jesus laid in the tomb because of the Jews' preparation day (John)
Sabbath the day that followed the day of preparation (Matthew) was when arrangements were set for a tomb guard which would be too late to stop Jeses being got out of the tom during the Saturday after dark. Just sayin'.
They rested on the sabbath day according to the commandments (Luke)
Sunday when the sabbath was past morning of the first day of the week as the sun was rising,the women approach the tomb (Mark).
End of the Sabbath as it began to dawn towards the first day of the week (Jewish Sunday) so that makes the previous sabbath Saturday, though it is odd that Matthew doesn't seem to understand it was the 'first day of the week' the previous evening, the women approach the tomb.
First day of the week early in the morning (Luke)
First day of the wek, when it was stilldark, Mary (and it ppears another) aapproach the tomb.

The sequence of days day of preparation, Sabbath and first day of the week is three day and does not total three full days no matter where you place the sabbath, but, one can say 'on the third day, around 40 hours at most not 72 hours. of 3 full days.

But that doesn't matter as much (to me) as the discrepancy of the Passover day, but Bible apologists seem to get in such a fuss about the three days and when the Sabbath in the resurrection story was. It pivots on when the First day of the week was for Judaism. It is and was Sunday. That makes the sabbath Saturday and the crucifixion on Friday.

The Hebrew week begins on Sunday.
According to the Jewish faith, the world was created in six days and the seventh and last day of the creation week was Saturday. For this reason, the Jewish week begins the day after Saturday (Shabbat)
Except for Shabbat, the Hebrew weekdays are named after their order
Rishon literally means “first”, Sheni means “second”, Shlishi means “third” and so on. However, the Hebrew word שבת (Shabbat) means “stopped working” or “rested”. According to the Book of Genesis, God created the world in six days and rested on the seventh day. For this reason, the seventh day is Shabbat, a day that forbids any work in it. There are many laws in the Jewish Bible, especially in the five books of Torah, regarding Shabbat. They focus on the best ways to observe Shabbat as the day of rest.
The Jewish day begins after sunset and not at sunrise (Jerusalem post Ivrit)

Slam
Dunk.

Back on topic I am also looking into the chronology of the Gabriel stone.
Herod died 4 BC (efforts to shift this to 3 BC or even 1 BC fail - Cassius'Dio's yearbook shows which year it was, as well as coins of the sons' year reigns)
Saturnius was Roman Governor of Syria intil the and Vartus became governor 4 BC. Then the governorship is blank until Visianus (I think that's the name) takes over. This is why Apologists want to move his death to earlier, so that Herrod can die during this empty governorship and it can be claimed it was a a governorship of Quirinus 'before' the 6/7 AD tax census.. However, Josephus describes the events following the death of Herid and the Roman takepver of Judea (Not Galilee - still rules by Antipas).

Herod's son Archelaus (the one Joseph moved to Nazareth to avoid, Matthew tell us) has acted as king (tetrarch) before Augustus had convermed it and lready he had dealt with rebels. Also his brother, Antipas was disputing that Herid really had confirmed Archelaus as ruler of Judea. So they both went to Rome to plead their case before Augustus. As soon as Archelaus was out of country, revolts broke out. Josephus tells us that Varus put these revolts down until Archelaus returned as Tetrarch and put the rebel Arthronges down at Emmaus.

The vid on the Gabriel stone says the revolt of Judas in Galilee, Athrongus at Emmaeus and Simon at Peraea was all part of the same revolt. In a way it was, but they clearly weren't simultaneous.

The first was Simon because Rome put him down in Peraea and Rome had no business in Antipas' territory. So Varus must have done it whiule the sons were in Rome. In short, he was acting Governor of Syria and governor of Judea, Galilee and Peraea after his term had expired. Thus the empty governorhip is accounted for and no place for Qurinus to have a census in Herod's time, even if that is stretched to 3 or 1 BC.

But this makes it the first revolt and in the 3-1 B.C period.

Archelaus returns as ruler of Judea and puts down Arthronges at Emmaus. This must be the early years AD. and follows the revolt of Simon.

Finally Archelaus is deposed 6 AD and revolt breaks out in Galilee so the revolt of Judas the galiean is 6/7 AD, later than Simon around or just after the last years BC and the revolt of Arthronges around 3 AD.

While the video on the Gabriel stone mentions this, it is sorta missed that the revolts were part of the same kind of insurrection, they weren't together but a couple of years apart.

The point is that it firms up the Nativity Chronology and makes it pretty muc himpossible to reconcile the nativity of Matthew in Herod's time with that of Luke when the Romans took over.

Governors of Syria
7/6 – 4 BC Publius Quinctilius Varus
Death of Herod
4 BC – 1 AD Unknown governorship.
Archelaus and Antipas in Rome. Vaus puts down revolts in Judea. Thisn is while Atchelaus is in Rome, for sure do Varus is acting governor in the 'unknown' governorship
This is likely the date of defeat of Simon in Peraea.
1 AD – 4 AD Gaius Julius Caesar Vipsanianus
4 – 5 Lucius Volusius Saturninus
This new governorship is likely to be when Atchelaus is confirmed as Judean Tetrarch. Thus it is Archelaus puts down the revolt of Arthronges at Emmaus.
Arcxhelaus deposed. Rome takes of Judea as a province.
6 – 12 Publius Sulpicius Quirinius
Revolt of Judas of Galilee, which Luke (Acts) makes clear is 'in the days of the cesus' (of Quirinus). And thus is the date of Luke's nativity.

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Friday before the evening, day of preparation, before the sabbath (mark)
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It was not the weekly Sabbath, but the Sabbath of the feast of unleavened bread.

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Friday before the evening, day of preparation, before the sabbath (mark)
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It was not the weekly Sabbath, but the Sabbath of the feast of unleavened bread.

That has been argued, though I don't think so. It is unarguable that it fell on Saturday as the next day (resurrection day) was first day of the Jewish week - Sunday.

That being so, it was the Saturday sabbath even if it was also the Passover (which would make the Last supper NOT the Passover.

Unless the argument is to try to explain why the Passover (which it wasn't as I have explained; it was Sukkhot) fell on two different days, it only serves to create problems for no good reason, like trying to make Crucifixion to the women finding the tomb open three days when it only needs to be the Third day.

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That being so, it was the Saturday sabbath even if it was also the Passover (which would make the Last supper NOT the Passover.

Unless the argument is to try to explain why the Passover (which it wasn't as I have explained; it was Sukkhot) fell on two different days, it only serves to create problems for no good reason, like trying to make Crucifixion to the women finding the tomb open three days when it only needs to be the Third day.

Uh, Transponder . . .

This makes no sense. It may be good willed from you, but your bad grammatics/writing makes it impossible for all of us to comprehend what it is you want to tell.

Especially the second sentence makes no sense.

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That being so, it was the Saturday sabbath even if it was also the Passover (which would make the Last supper NOT the Passover.

Unless the argument is to try to explain why the Passover (which it wasn't as I have explained; it was Sukkhot) fell on two different days, it only serves to create problems for no good reason, like trying to make Crucifixion to the women finding the tomb open three days when it only needs to be the Third day.

Uh, Transponder . . .

This makes no sense. It may be good willed from you, but your bad grammatics/writing makes it impossible for all of us to comprehend what it is you want to tell.

Especially the second sentence makes no sense.

Sorry for that. Bad habit.Just because I know what I mean doesn'tmean that others do. I'll make it clearer.

Perhaps the argument to which I responded was to explain Passover apparently falling on Two days (Thursday for the disciples and Saturday for the Priests) the point has no point.

In passing I observed that I don't think it was Passover anyway. The whole palmtrees and Hoshana chant sounds like tabernacles.

Otherwise, trying tb argue the 'feast of unleavened bread fell on the Saturday, making it a 'Sabbat 'just makes more problems. I have already pointed out that from last thing Friday (crucifixion) to the women finding the tomb open on Sunday covers three days, even if it isn't three full days. So trying to argue Wednesday for one Passover and another day for another seems over complicated and pointless, anyway.