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Seems there exists an unresolved topic amongst Christians... Seems as though the way to salvation is not unified among the many in which I engage. I'd wager they all have a case to support their position(s).?.?

For debate: How does one get to Heaven? What is God's criteria for His selection process? Is it by grace alone, belief/faith alone, works alone; or it is a combination of the three? Or is it maybe other? Please, not only present your case, but please also explain why the other asserted methods are incorrect.
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"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."

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TRANSPONDER wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 5:45 am
Capbook wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 1:33 am
TRANSPONDER wrote: Wed May 22, 2024 7:38 am As said before, it is not about what you personally (appealing to Bibletext or not, as though that proved anything) want to go for and believe, but what evidence - based and logical arguments you can post.
The thread is about Grace/Belief/Works, and how to be save. I believe it refer to Biblical teaching.
The forum is a debate forum, not about posting your beliefs and no arguments or evidence for. Preaching without anything more is against Tos.
I am not preaching, my evidence is from the Word of God of which I already had explained, and I know you won't believe my arguments, just like us of yours. And I believe this thread refers to Biblical teachings.

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POI wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 7:23 am
Capbook wrote: Wed May 22, 2024 2:31 am If there's a choice G) Eph 2:8-10 to believers and Romans 2:14 to not able to believe. I'll go for it.
As I've said again my belief is not confined to your specific made choices.
Option F) is already listed as 'something else'. You want me to mark you down for that option?
If you would allow, I'll prefer my suggested option that some readers might have the same belief like mine. Could select a specific option.

Thanks.

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Capbook wrote: Fri May 24, 2024 1:57 am
POI wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 7:23 am
Capbook wrote: Wed May 22, 2024 2:31 am If there's a choice G) Eph 2:8-10 to believers and Romans 2:14 to not able to believe. I'll go for it.
As I've said again my belief is not confined to your specific made choices.
Option F) is already listed as 'something else'. You want me to mark you down for that option?
If you would allow, I'll prefer my suggested option that some readers might have the same belief like mine. Could select a specific option.

Thanks.
All, who have read the Bible, and who are also believers, do not agree with you. Which, again, demonstrates my point. Even if you are ready and willing, the Bible is not clear to the path for salvation. Is God actually pleased with his provided communication?
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Capbook wrote: Fri May 24, 2024 1:53 am
TRANSPONDER wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 5:45 am
Capbook wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 1:33 am
TRANSPONDER wrote: Wed May 22, 2024 7:38 am As said before, it is not about what you personally (appealing to Bibletext or not, as though that proved anything) want to go for and believe, but what evidence - based and logical arguments you can post.
The thread is about Grace/Belief/Works, and how to be save. I believe it refer to Biblical teaching.
The forum is a debate forum, not about posting your beliefs and no arguments or evidence for. Preaching without anything more is against Tos.
I am not preaching, my evidence is from the Word of God of which I already had explained, and I know you won't believe my arguments, just like us of yours. And I believe this thread refers to Biblical teachings.
Not preaching yet, but just quoting Bibletext and faithclaims with no argument comes close. It's friendly suggestions to do a bit more. What you and i believe or don't doesn't matter, but the discussions we make, that, and not Bible teachings, is what the forum is about.

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POI wrote: Fri May 24, 2024 2:06 am
Capbook wrote: Fri May 24, 2024 1:57 am
POI wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 7:23 am
Capbook wrote: Wed May 22, 2024 2:31 am If there's a choice G) Eph 2:8-10 to believers and Romans 2:14 to not able to believe. I'll go for it.
As I've said again my belief is not confined to your specific made choices.
Option F) is already listed as 'something else'. You want me to mark you down for that option?
If you would allow, I'll prefer my suggested option that some readers might have the same belief like mine. Could select a specific option.

Thanks.
All, who have read the Bible, and who are also believers, do not agree with you. Which, again, demonstrates my point. Even if you are ready and willing, the Bible is not clear to the path for salvation. Is God actually pleased with his provided communication?
Of course, there are those who may not agree with me, we differs, proven to your made choices.
I believe God completely written all for man's salvation. We have just finite minds and differs in understanding.

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TRANSPONDER wrote: Fri May 24, 2024 7:05 am
Capbook wrote: Fri May 24, 2024 1:53 am
TRANSPONDER wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 5:45 am
Capbook wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 1:33 am
TRANSPONDER wrote: Wed May 22, 2024 7:38 am As said before, it is not about what you personally (appealing to Bibletext or not, as though that proved anything) want to go for and believe, but what evidence - based and logical arguments you can post.
The thread is about Grace/Belief/Works, and how to be save. I believe it refer to Biblical teaching.
The forum is a debate forum, not about posting your beliefs and no arguments or evidence for. Preaching without anything more is against Tos.
I am not preaching, my evidence is from the Word of God of which I already had explained, and I know you won't believe my arguments, just like us of yours. And I believe this thread refers to Biblical teachings.
Not preaching yet, but just quoting Bibletext and faithclaims with no argument comes close. It's friendly suggestions to do a bit more. What you and i believe or don't doesn't matter, but the discussions we make, that, and not Bible teachings, is what the forum is about.
It was just on that post that I summarized my explanation, if you read our prior exchanges you may see my explanation of my beliefs basing on the quoted Bible text.

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Capbook wrote: Sun May 26, 2024 2:57 am
TRANSPONDER wrote: Fri May 24, 2024 7:05 am
Capbook wrote: Fri May 24, 2024 1:53 am
TRANSPONDER wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 5:45 am
Capbook wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 1:33 am
TRANSPONDER wrote: Wed May 22, 2024 7:38 am As said before, it is not about what you personally (appealing to Bibletext or not, as though that proved anything) want to go for and believe, but what evidence - based and logical arguments you can post.
The thread is about Grace/Belief/Works, and how to be save. I believe it refer to Biblical teaching.
The forum is a debate forum, not about posting your beliefs and no arguments or evidence for. Preaching without anything more is against Tos.
I am not preaching, my evidence is from the Word of God of which I already had explained, and I know you won't believe my arguments, just like us of yours. And I believe this thread refers to Biblical teachings.
Not preaching yet, but just quoting Bibletext and faithclaims with no argument comes close. It's friendly suggestions to do a bit more. What you and i believe or don't doesn't matter, but the discussions we make, that, and not Bible teachings, is what the forum is about.
It was just on that post that I summarized my explanation, if you read our prior exchanges you may see my explanation of my beliefs basing on the quoted Bible text.
Very well. The point is made that citing Bibletext as a basis for faith or citing faith as support for Bibletext gets us nowhere and comes close to preaching.

Explanations as to why you trust either are welcome.

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Capbook wrote: Sun May 26, 2024 2:51 am
POI wrote: Fri May 24, 2024 2:06 am
Capbook wrote: Fri May 24, 2024 1:57 am
POI wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 7:23 am
Capbook wrote: Wed May 22, 2024 2:31 am If there's a choice G) Eph 2:8-10 to believers and Romans 2:14 to not able to believe. I'll go for it.
As I've said again my belief is not confined to your specific made choices.
Option F) is already listed as 'something else'. You want me to mark you down for that option?
If you would allow, I'll prefer my suggested option that some readers might have the same belief like mine. Could select a specific option.

Thanks.
All, who have read the Bible, and who are also believers, do not agree with you. Which, again, demonstrates my point. Even if you are ready and willing, the Bible is not clear to the path for salvation. Is God actually pleased with his provided communication?
Of course, there are those who may not agree with me, we differs, proven to your made choices.
I believe God completely written all for man's salvation. We have just finite minds and differs in understanding.
Then the answer should be A), shouldn't it?
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POI wrote: Sun May 26, 2024 9:59 am
Capbook wrote: Sun May 26, 2024 2:51 am
POI wrote: Fri May 24, 2024 2:06 am
Capbook wrote: Fri May 24, 2024 1:57 am
POI wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 7:23 am
Capbook wrote: Wed May 22, 2024 2:31 am If there's a choice G) Eph 2:8-10 to believers and Romans 2:14 to not able to believe. I'll go for it.
As I've said again my belief is not confined to your specific made choices.
Option F) is already listed as 'something else'. You want me to mark you down for that option?
If you would allow, I'll prefer my suggested option that some readers might have the same belief like mine. Could select a specific option.

Thanks.
All, who have read the Bible, and who are also believers, do not agree with you. Which, again, demonstrates my point. Even if you are ready and willing, the Bible is not clear to the path for salvation. Is God actually pleased with his provided communication?
Of course, there are those who may not agree with me, we differs, proven to your made choices.
I believe God completely written all for man's salvation. We have just finite minds and differs in understanding.
Then the answer should be A), shouldn't it?
My reply you highlighted does not fit to A).
G) If you would allow. As my belief just don't fit to just one of your made choices.

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TRANSPONDER wrote: Sun May 26, 2024 6:21 am
Capbook wrote: Sun May 26, 2024 2:57 am
TRANSPONDER wrote: Fri May 24, 2024 7:05 am
Capbook wrote: Fri May 24, 2024 1:53 am
TRANSPONDER wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 5:45 am
Capbook wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 1:33 am
TRANSPONDER wrote: Wed May 22, 2024 7:38 am As said before, it is not about what you personally (appealing to Bibletext or not, as though that proved anything) want to go for and believe, but what evidence - based and logical arguments you can post.
The thread is about Grace/Belief/Works, and how to be save. I believe it refer to Biblical teaching.
The forum is a debate forum, not about posting your beliefs and no arguments or evidence for. Preaching without anything more is against Tos.
I am not preaching, my evidence is from the Word of God of which I already had explained, and I know you won't believe my arguments, just like us of yours. And I believe this thread refers to Biblical teachings.
Not preaching yet, but just quoting Bibletext and faithclaims with no argument comes close. It's friendly suggestions to do a bit more. What you and i believe or don't doesn't matter, but the discussions we make, that, and not Bible teachings, is what the forum is about.
It was just on that post that I summarized my explanation, if you read our prior exchanges you may see my explanation of my beliefs basing on the quoted Bible text.
Very well. The point is made that citing Bibletext as a basis for faith or citing faith as support for Bibletext gets us nowhere and comes close to preaching.

Explanations as to why you trust either are welcome.
Of course my belief in God and to where my argument is from His teachings. Just like you, your belief (faith) is from some scientists who believe that their mind can grasp truth. You believe in science, you believe that God doesn't exist. That is not the only irony that atheism offer of no ground for faith that they themselves cannot do without.

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