The "How Dare You" Perpetuates Racism?

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The "How Dare You" Perpetuates Racism?

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Someone recently presented to me the hateful idea that the "how dare you" functions as a blanket permission for stereotypical bad behaviour, perpetuating it. Question for debate: Does it?

The idea is that the Jew has the "how dare you" to cover him if he's called greedy, so he has higher-than-normal social permission to actually be greedy, causing people to have low feedback against stereotypical bad behaviour, and ultimately act it out.

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Purple Knight wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:05 pmSomeone recently presented to me the hateful idea that the "how dare you" functions as a blanket permission for stereotypical bad behaviour, perpetuating it. Question for debate: Does it?
It's possible and might form the basis of an interesting psychological study, but as mere baseless speculation it's not really worth considering.
Purple Knight wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:05 pmThe idea is that the Jew has the "how dare you" to cover him if he's called greedy, so he has higher-than-normal social permission to actually be greedy, causing people to have low feedback against stereotypical bad behaviour, and ultimately act it out.
This "low feedback" argument works equally well when applied to antisemitic bigotry, which we know occurs beyond speculation. If "low feedback" leads to bad behavior, then saying "how dare you" to bigotry is a net gain, at least until there's more Jewish greediness than there is antisemitic bigotry. When we have an insurrection against the Capitol and the common hats are yarmulkes ("!לשנה הבאה בירושלים") then maybe we'd need to rethink the strategy, but until then, I think we're still pretty safe calling out antisemites for what they are.

To be glib, (well, even more glib) this sounds like trickle-down economics: if we allow (or even encourage) known bad-actors to continue unchecked, then somehow the result will be good for the rest of us?
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Purple Knight wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:05 pm Someone recently presented to me the hateful idea that the "how dare you" functions as a blanket permission for stereotypical bad behaviour, perpetuating it. Question for debate: Does it?

The idea is that the Jew has the "how dare you" to cover him if he's called greedy, so he has higher-than-normal social permission to actually be greedy, causing people to have low feedback against stereotypical bad behaviour, and ultimately act it out.
These days people like to be offended. Using 'how dare you' seems just another way to be offended and, potentially, argue. Rather or not it gives one permission to 'act out' in whatever fashion I think seems a stretch. But people have done stranger things so who knows?
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nobspeople wrote: Fri Aug 27, 2021 11:00 am
Purple Knight wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:05 pm Someone recently presented to me the hateful idea that the "how dare you" functions as a blanket permission for stereotypical bad behaviour, perpetuating it. Question for debate: Does it?

The idea is that the Jew has the "how dare you" to cover him if he's called greedy, so he has higher-than-normal social permission to actually be greedy, causing people to have low feedback against stereotypical bad behaviour, and ultimately act it out.
These days people like to be offended. Using 'how dare you' seems just another way to be offended and, potentially, argue. Rather or not it gives one permission to 'act out' in whatever fashion I think seems a stretch. But people have done stranger things so who knows?
The less intelligent believe those who disagree with them are wicked and should be put in their place with the "how dare you" challenge.

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marke wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 2:07 amThe less intelligent believe those who disagree with them are wicked and should be put in their place with the "how dare you" challenge.
Actually everyone believes that. Imagine what you'd say if someone went around killing people and if you confronted them, told you what you just posted.

Imagine they even made a good argument that murder should be legal.

It's not like anyone tolerates behaviour they disagree with. At the end of the day, no one tolerates behaviour they think is wrong. Some people just think a lot is wrong. It's a thermostat war, not some qualitative distinction between people who want to live and let live, and those who don't.

The usual retort to this is, "as long as it's not hurting anyone else" which everyone believes. It's just that nothing actually causes perfectly zero trickle-down harm, and everyone has a different threshold for how much harm is too much. Maybe I can't own a chicken because it's too noisy. Noise is harm to the person being bothered by it. Maybe I can't speak my mind because it would be hurtful. And don't think physical harm is a distinction either - harassment is a thing, and always has been. You can't stalk someone even if it's just to emotionally hurt them.

It's a thermostat war. Not some real distinction.

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Purple Knight wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 3:27 pm
marke wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 2:07 amThe less intelligent believe those who disagree with them are wicked and should be put in their place with the "how dare you" challenge.
Actually everyone believes that. Imagine what you'd say if someone went around killing people and if you confronted them, told you what you just posted.

Imagine they even made a good argument that murder should be legal.

It's not like anyone tolerates behaviour they disagree with. At the end of the day, no one tolerates behaviour they think is wrong. Some people just think a lot is wrong. It's a thermostat war, not some qualitative distinction between people who want to live and let live, and those who don't.

The usual retort to this is, "as long as it's not hurting anyone else" which everyone believes. It's just that nothing actually causes perfectly zero trickle-down harm, and everyone has a different threshold for how much harm is too much. Maybe I can't own a chicken because it's too noisy. Noise is harm to the person being bothered by it. Maybe I can't speak my mind because it would be hurtful. And don't think physical harm is a distinction either - harassment is a thing, and always has been. You can't stalk someone even if it's just to emotionally hurt them.

It's a thermostat war. Not some real distinction.
Democrat interrogators in the Senate asked Pete Hegseth if he hatefully imagined that nobody in the military should disagree with him. That exposes the hypocrisy of the left who believe nobody should serve in leadership in the US who disagrees with democrats.

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marke wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:03 pmDemocrat interrogators in the Senate asked Pete Hegseth if he hatefully imagined that nobody in the military should disagree with him. That exposes the hypocrisy of the left who believe nobody should serve in leadership in the US who disagrees with democrats.
But they believe that they are moral.

Most people don't believe that people who think murder should be legal, should have any voice in leadership, either.

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