Please prove that souls exist and that they are either resurrected or reincarnated

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Please prove that souls exist and that they are either resurrected or reincarnated

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Most religions claim that souls exist. Some religions claim that souls are immortal and are reincarnated after the death of the body while other religions claim that souls are immortal and are resurrected after the death of the body. Can anyone please prove that souls exist and are either resurrected or reincarnated? Thank you.

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marke wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 11:48 pm
brunumb wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 6:02 pm
marke wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 2:08 am You do not explain how humans form thoughts and engage in logical discussions without the benefit of a human soul. Are thoughts formed by the wind? Is logic the product of random electrical charges?
How does a human soul assist in the formation of thoughts?
How does AI go about responding to your requests and formulating answers to your questions?
You are your soul and your soul and body are united on earth. Your body could not form thoughts without you and you cannot form thoughts without your body.
You do not explain how humans form thoughts and engage in logical discussions with the benefit of a human soul.
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Clownboat wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:25 pm
marke wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:10 pm I am a busy man. I cannot answer every argument I encounter. There simply isn't enough time. When you form thoughts in your brain, how do you do it, unless you first form thoughts to enable you to form thoughts? Or is thinking as natural as breathing to creatures given the miracle of life by God?
How is it that you can't find the time to answer my questions, yet you can find the time to ask question after question? The math doesn't add up.

For the sake of debate, please pretend that we don't know how thoughts are formed. I would like to see what point you are trying to make, if you even have one that is.
If you form the thoughts in your head, how do you form them? By taking advantage of physical elements in your body to create from and with them intelligence, or do your body functions form intelligence for you that you have no spiritual control over?

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Clownboat wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:25 pm For the sake of debate, please pretend that we don't know how thoughts are formed. I would like to see what point you are trying to make, if you even have one that is.
marke wrote:If you form the thoughts in your head, how do you form them? By taking advantage of physical elements in your body to create from and with them intelligence, or do your body functions form intelligence for you that you have no spiritual control over?
I'm starting to think this is a reading comprehension issue.
Copy/paste to save time and sanity: "For the sake of debate, please pretend that we don't know how thoughts are formed."

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Compassionist wrote: Tue Feb 21, 2023 12:12 pm Most religions claim that souls exist. Some religions claim that souls are immortal and are reincarnated after the death of the body while other religions claim that souls are immortal and are resurrected after the death of the body. Can anyone please prove that souls exist and are either resurrected or reincarnated? Thank you.

When you can effectively prove that sentient life can naturally arise from nonlife, then you'll effectively prove the nonexistence of souls.

But you can't do that, can you? No. You cant.

So, instead of presenting these dubious challenges to believers, you have something you need to work out on your own naturalistic side of things...before you even think about stepping to a believer with such a challenge.
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SiNcE_1985 wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 8:30 amWhen you can effectively prove that sentient life can naturally arise from nonlife, then you'll effectively prove the nonexistence of souls.
Why would anyone need to do that? Consider these questions:

Do chimpanzees (sharing 97% of genes with humans) have souls? Do dogs?

What about fish? Worms? Bacteria? Viruses?

Could a prion have a soul?

How far down the evolutionary tree do you have to go before we’re all agreed that something is ‘soulless’? Once we agree where that point is, all you have to do is provide some evidence that supports life ‘above’ that point as having a soul.

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Diagoras wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 5:52 pm
SiNcE_1985 wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 8:30 amWhen you can effectively prove that sentient life can naturally arise from nonlife, then you'll effectively prove the nonexistence of souls.
Why would anyone need to do that? Consider these questions:

Do chimpanzees (sharing 97% of genes with humans) have souls? Do dogs?

What about fish? Worms? Bacteria? Viruses?

Could a prion have a soul?

How far down the evolutionary tree do you have to go before we’re all agreed that something is ‘soulless’? Once we agree where that point is, all you have to do is provide some evidence that supports life ‘above’ that point as having a soul.
I simply don't believe in evolution. So you've lost me there.
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SiNcE_1985 wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 8:13 pm I simply don't believe in evolution. So you've lost me there.
Let’s try it without mentioning the ‘E-word’, then.

Do chimpanzees have souls? Do dogs?

What about fish? Worms? Bacteria? Viruses?

Could a prion have a soul?

How simple does a lifeform have to be before you agree that something is ‘soulless’? Once we agree where that point is, all you have to do is provide some evidence that supports life ‘above’ that point as having a soul.

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Diagoras wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 12:33 am Let’s try it without mentioning the ‘E-word’, then.

Do chimpanzees have souls? Do dogs?

What about fish? Worms? Bacteria? Viruses?

Could a prion have a soul?
I doubt any of those things have souls.
How simple does a lifeform have to be before you agree that something is ‘soulless’?
Admittedly, things tend to get tricky when distinguishing the spirit from the soul.

Sometimes they are used interchangeably, and sometimes they are identified as separate.

At the very least, it seems as if humans have two natures, physical and spiritual.

Our spirit is the immaterial form of "us".

And I don't believe that animals possess a spiritual "self".
Once we agree where that point is, all you have to do is provide some evidence that supports life ‘above’ that point as having a soul.
I don't quite understand.
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SiNcE_1985 wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 11:25 am
Diagoras wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 12:33 am Let’s try it without mentioning the ‘E-word’, then.

Do chimpanzees have souls? Do dogs?

What about fish? Worms? Bacteria? Viruses?

Could a prion have a soul?
I doubt any of those things have souls.
So you don’t know this for a fact. It’s possible, but unlikely. Have I got your position on this correct?
Admittedly, things tend to get tricky when distinguishing the spirit from the soul.

Sometimes they are used interchangeably, and sometimes they are identified as separate.
It would be helpful to the debate to have an agreed definition of both. Care to provide them?
At the very least, it seems as if humans have two natures, physical and spiritual.
‘Seems’? What evidence are you basing this claim on?
Our spirit is the immaterial form of "us".
Stated without evidence in a Science forum doesn’t mean much.
And I don't believe that animals possess a spiritual "self".
So this is a uniquely human thing then, in your view. Why?
I don't quite understand.
Now we have established that you believe the soul/spirit is unique to humans, it’s incumbent on you to provide some evidence that supports your belief. No need for anyone to prove or disprove how life arose in the first place.

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Diagoras wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 7:51 pm So you don’t know this for a fact. It’s possible, but unlikely. Have I got your position on this correct?
You have my position correct, but I fail to see the point.

The truth value to that, doesn't move the needle forward or backwards either way.
It would be helpful to the debate to have an agreed definition of both. Care to provide them?
I think its best to use them both interchangeably.

I'll define both as the immaterial "self" (mind).

Basically, mind/body dualism.
‘Seems’? What evidence are you basing this claim on?

Stated without evidence in a Science forum doesn’t mean much.
The mind and body (brain) are two different entities, although there is a correlation between both.

I'll drive home this point with a question...have you ever been to an open-casket funeral?
So this is a uniquely human thing then, in your view. Why?
Mainly because when it states that God made man in his image (Gen 1:26), it is clear that it isn't talking about a physical image, as God is not physical.

So, it must mean spiritual, as God is spirit (John 4:24).

So, since God has sentience, yet, God isn't physical, it follows that God must be an unembodied mind...and we were made in his image, although our mind is veiled in human flesh.

I said all that to say, scripture doesnt state that animals were made in God's image.

Although, admittedly, what is meant by "made in God's image" has been up for debate.

However, I just shared my own understanding.
Now we have established that you believe the soul/spirit is unique to humans, it’s incumbent on you to provide some evidence that supports your belief. No need for anyone to prove or disprove how life arose in the first place.
I agree. But there is too much sweeping of abiogenesis under the rug.

No one wants to talk about it.

But everyone wants to pound away at theistic claims.

You guys are gonna start having to answer for your claims (or implicated claims) as well.
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