"Yes, but that doesn't work anymore. That's weak."

[Athetotheist]

What are we to make of this?




Do they not realize that they're making Jesus out to be a liar?

"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."
(Matthew 24:35)

"He that loveth Me not, keepeth not My sayings. And the Word which you hear is not Mine, but the Fathers who sent Me."
(John 14:24)

[marke]

[Replying to marke in post #88]

Trump won and I thank God he is making serious efforts to bring common sense and honesty back to our government.

Musk demanded that federal employees submit details of what they had done over a week by email. After pushback pointing out that having federal employees engaged in sentitive security work send details of that work by email would pose a danger to national security, Musk repeated his demand.

DOGE fired air traffic controllers and after aviation disasters started occurring in higher numbers, Musk started begging retired ATCs to return to work----when federal law requires ATCs to retire at age 56 due to the complexity of the job.

By what stretch of the imagination is that common sense?

Marke: Democrats and non-essential government workers are scared stiff the DOGE investigators are going to cut them from the government gravy train once the investigators find out how much time and money they wasted or how many billions of dollars were laundered through fake foundations into the personal bank accounts of leading democrat politicians and their supporters.

[marke]

What are we to make of this?




Do they not realize that they're making Jesus out to be a liar?

"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."
(Matthew 24:35)

"He that loveth Me not, keepeth not My sayings. And the Word which you hear is not Mine, but the Fathers who sent Me."
(John 14:24)

Marke: Are we to assume that democrats like Bernie and Obama sinned against God by raking in tens of millions of dollars from their political connections and buying multiple million-dollar homes while giving little or nothing to the poor?

[The Barbarian]

Democrats filed hundreds of false charges against Trump and his supporters but did not disprove a single incident of the many unrefuted evidences of 2020 voting fraud.

Actually, it was a republican prosecutor who caught the republicans trying to fraudulently change election results. See above. And lots of the perps have taken plea deals and began cooperating with law enforcement still looking for other criminals in the conspiracy.

Meantime, in spite of numerous assertions by republicans of democrats committing fraud, not a single case of such a conspiracy has been confirmed. Trump's own appointed AG said such claims were "bullshit."

Why not just accept the reality?

Republicans committing voting fraud whether they got caught or not does nothing to disprove the massive evidence of 2020 voting fraud.

And yet federal judges, including Trump appointees, tossed out dozens of lawsuits alleging voter fraud, citing lack of evidence. That's the reality.

[The Barbarian]

Democrats and non-essential government workers are scared stiff the DOGE investigators are going to cut them from the government gravy train once the investigators find out how much time and money they wasted or how many billions of dollars were laundered through fake foundations into the personal bank accounts of leading democrat politicians and their supporters.[/b]

Some people are scared stiff. But it's not democrats.


Three in five Americans are concerned about recent cuts to government programs, with even higher levels of concern about specific cuts such as to health care programs for women and veterans, fighting diseases, and the FAA.

Three in five Americans are concerned about the Trump administration giving Elon Musks Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) the power to make significant spending cuts and lay off thousands of government employees (62 percent concerned 33 percent not concerned). The most concerning specific cuts to Americans include cuts to health care for veterans (68 percent concerned), programs that keep women and children safe from abuse (67 percent concerned), and cuts to disaster relief for events like wildfires, hurricanes, and tornadoes (67 percent concerned). 63 percent of Americans are also concerned about cuts to funding and staff at the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).

Seven in ten are worried about the Trump administrations actions leading to bigger cuts to Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security (69 percent worried, including 49 percent who are "very" worried) and increased costs from new tariffs (72 percent worried, including 48 percent who are "very" worried).

A plurality of Americans say Musks involvement in the Trump administration makes them view Trump more negatively (33 percent more positive 45 percent more negative), including among independents by 27 points (19 percent more positive 46 percent more negative).

From a list of groups, Americans are most concerned by tech CEOs like Elon Musk and right-wing extremists being involved with the Trump administration (37 percent and 31 percent, respectively). Americans are most likely to describe Musk and billionaires working with the Trump administration as "dangerous" (34 percent), "power-hungry" (34 percent), and "corrupt" (31 percent); in a separate question, "they are acting like theyre above the law" is the top phrase that troubles Americans about what Trump, Musk, and other billionaires are doing in the Trump administration (33 percent).

https://navigatorresearch.org/three-in- ... -spending/

It's so bad that the current Speaker of the House is now advising republican representatives to avoid going home and to avoid having town halls.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to marke in post #109]

What nobody has yet done to this day is prove Eric Coomer did not personally examine, program, reprogram, or alter Dominion voting machine instructions all across the US in 2020.

The burden of proof is on the accusers.

There is clear evidence he had personal involvement with technical details of Dominion voting machines in Michigan, one of which was investigated and discovered to have flipped hundreds of thousands of votes from Trump to Biden.

"Given the near-exact match of the hand recount to the machine counts from precincts around the state using different machine types, it seems highly improbable that machines flipped votes in Michigan."
https://gophouse.org/posts/rep-berman-r ... hine-fraud

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to marke in post #112]

Are we to assume that democrats like Bernie and Obama sinned against God by raking in tens of millions of dollars from their political connections and buying multiple million-dollar homes while giving little or nothing to the poor?

"Tu quoque is a Latin phrase that translates to "you too" and is used as a noun to discredit an opponent's argument. It's a type of ad hominem attack that involves accusing the accuser of doing or being what they criticize in others. The goal is to make the opponent appear hypocritical by attacking their actions and behavior as inconsistent with their argument."
---Wikipedia

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to marke in post #88]

Trump won and I thank God he is making serious efforts to bring common sense and honesty back to our government.

Musk demanded that federal employees submit details of what they had done over a week by email. After pushback pointing out that having federal employees engaged in sentitive security work send details of that work by email would pose a danger to national security, Musk repeated his demand.

DOGE fired air traffic controllers and after aviation disasters started occurring in higher numbers, Musk started begging retired ATCs to return to work----when federal law requires ATCs to retire at age 56 due to the complexity of the job.

By what stretch of the imagination is that common sense?

Marke: Democrats and non-essential government workers are scared stiff the DOGE investigators are going to cut them from the government gravy train once the investigators find out how much time and money they wasted or how many billions of dollars were laundered through fake foundations into the personal bank accounts of leading democrat politicians and their supporters.

How does this unsubstantiated claim answer the question?

[AgnosticBoy]

[Replying to AgnosticBoy in post #91]
From the article, with emphasis mine:

An incident regarding "a small number" of discarded mail-in ballots in Pennsylvania -- which has sparked a Department of Justice investigation and drawn the attention of President Donald Trump -- appears to be rooted in an administrative error by a temporary contractor working at the Luzerne County Elections Bureau, according to the county manager.....

FBI Director Christopher Wray discussed fraudulent voting during a Senate hearing Thursday, saying, "We have not seen, historically, any kind of coordinated national voter fraud effort in a major election, whether it's by mail or otherwise."

My explanation also factors in those points. To be clear, my view is not that there's large scale voter fraud. Personally, I don't know if there is. Rather, my point is that we don't know how much voter fraud there is when, and only when, we have little to no reliable way to catch it.

Based on that view, here are the possible conclusions when someone says that they see no widespread voter fraud:
1. There isn't widespread voter fraud.
2. There's a conspiracy to suppress voter fraud
3. We have no reliable way of catching voter fraud to notice if it's happening.

To elaborate on #3, this point of mine depends on the type of fraud as opposed to any kind of fraud. It would apply to the type of fraud where we don't have a reliable system in place to catch it as opposed to other types of fraud (impersonation, double voting) where we do have a reliable system in place to catch it. I gave an example of the former involving ballots that are completed outside of voting places and outside the view of officials (i.e. mail-in ballots).

- For instance, can someone just go to a known Republican district and just throw away a large number of ballots and not get caught?
- Can someone go to a poor neighborhood, or a non-English speaking one, (two groups that may be less likely to report voter fraud) and "assist" or even bribe people to register and even fill out the ballot for them?

In both cases, yes, as evidenced by the way the two types of fraud were caught. They were caught by chance and not because of some established system in place to catch them. In the first case, it involved accidentally discovering ballots in the trash. In the second case, it involved someone going undercover to video someone bribing a new voter at their home and "assisting" them with their voting.

My conclusion again is not that this is happening at a large scale, and my solution would be to increase security - put a system in place to prevent or to reliably catch these types of fraud.

[marke]

Democrats filed hundreds of false charges against Trump and his supporters but did not disprove a single incident of the many unrefuted evidences of 2020 voting fraud.

Actually, it was a republican prosecutor who caught the republicans trying to fraudulently change election results. See above. And lots of the perps have taken plea deals and began cooperating with law enforcement still looking for other criminals in the conspiracy.

Meantime, in spite of numerous assertions by republicans of democrats committing fraud, not a single case of such a conspiracy has been confirmed. Trump's own appointed AG said such claims were "bullshit."

Why not just accept the reality?

Republicans committing voting fraud whether they got caught or not does nothing to disprove the massive evidence of 2020 voting fraud.

And yet federal judges, including Trump appointees, tossed out dozens of lawsuits alleging voter fraud, citing lack of evidence. That's the reality.

Marke: Regardless of what voter fraud cases got tossed and for what reason there still remain mountains of evidence of unrefuted 2020 voter fraud.

[marke]

Democrats and non-essential government workers are scared stiff the DOGE investigators are going to cut them from the government gravy train once the investigators find out how much time and money they wasted or how many billions of dollars were laundered through fake foundations into the personal bank accounts of leading democrat politicians and their supporters.[/b]

Some people are scared stiff. But it's not democrats.


Three in five Americans are concerned about recent cuts to government programs, with even higher levels of concern about specific cuts such as to health care programs for women and veterans, fighting diseases, and the FAA.

Three in five Americans are concerned about the Trump administration giving Elon Musks Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) the power to make significant spending cuts and lay off thousands of government employees (62 percent concerned 33 percent not concerned). The most concerning specific cuts to Americans include cuts to health care for veterans (68 percent concerned), programs that keep women and children safe from abuse (67 percent concerned), and cuts to disaster relief for events like wildfires, hurricanes, and tornadoes (67 percent concerned). 63 percent of Americans are also concerned about cuts to funding and staff at the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).

Seven in ten are worried about the Trump administrations actions leading to bigger cuts to Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security (69 percent worried, including 49 percent who are "very" worried) and increased costs from new tariffs (72 percent worried, including 48 percent who are "very" worried).

A plurality of Americans say Musks involvement in the Trump administration makes them view Trump more negatively (33 percent more positive 45 percent more negative), including among independents by 27 points (19 percent more positive 46 percent more negative).

From a list of groups, Americans are most concerned by tech CEOs like Elon Musk and right-wing extremists being involved with the Trump administration (37 percent and 31 percent, respectively). Americans are most likely to describe Musk and billionaires working with the Trump administration as "dangerous" (34 percent), "power-hungry" (34 percent), and "corrupt" (31 percent); in a separate question, "they are acting like theyre above the law" is the top phrase that troubles Americans about what Trump, Musk, and other billionaires are doing in the Trump administration (33 percent).

https://navigatorresearch.org/three-in- ... -spending/

It's so bad that the current Speaker of the House is now advising republican representatives to avoid going home and to avoid having town halls.

Trump and Musk are uncovering waste, fraud, and abuse and what they are doing is good for all Americans. The fact that USAID has channelled billions of dollars into the coffers of major democrats and donors is something that needs to be fully investigated in spite of the crocodile tears from leftists who do not want those crimes or shady deals investigated.