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Genesis 1 Through 3 Timeline Challenge: Can You Resolve the Alleged Contradictions?

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I am putting forth a challenge. See if you can make the Genesis 1 through Genesis 3 timelines/accounts agree with each other and not contradict as Wikipedia (and other sources) claim.

According to Wikipedia, Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 contradict one another:

“The overlapping stories of Genesis 1 and 2 are contradictory but also complementary, with the first (the Priestly story) concerned with the creation of the entire cosmos while the second (the Jahwist story) focuses on man as moral agent and cultivator of his environment.”

“Even the order and method of creation differs.”


Genesis creation narrative - Wikipedia

Did God make mistakes? If you agree with Wikipedia, let us know why.

Basic Rules:
  • You are not allowed to take away from and/or add words to the verses.
  • Use any translation you wish (mix and match is OK).
  • The word ‘day’ must be interpreted as twenty-four hours or less.
  • The interpretation of the phrase ‘surely die’ must be consistent with its usage elsewhere in the Bible.
  • Use as many or as few verses as needed.
  • Your interpretation must not contradict either Old Testament or New Testament.
I will submit my entry in the next post.

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My Submission to the Challenge:

Genesis 2:4 (KJV)
“These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.”


Commentary:
The verse begins a series of ‘recaps’ of Genesis 1 with additional details being added. The focus here is on the Third Day, when the Heavens and Earth were completed and ready for its first form of life. Day means day, not 'six days'.

Genesis 2:5 (New Living Translation)
"Neither wild plants nor grains were growing on the earth. For the LORD God had not yet sent rain to water the earth, and there were no people to cultivate the soil."


Commentary:
We have confirmation that Genesis 2:4 is focusing in on the Third Day. Moreover, we are at the moment of time when no plants, and therefore no life, existed.

What was the first form of life created on the Third Day?

Genesis 2:7 (KJV)
"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."


Commentary:
As we can clearly see, we have an issue. Christians are told that Man was originally created on the Sixth Day. According to the Bible however, Man was originally created on the Third Day. Who is correct? Does the dogma of the Church get to overrule what is written? Heaven forbid.

For clarity, I will refer to this being as the ‘First Adam’. Note that Jesus is the ‘Last Adam’ who rose on the Third Day. Perfect! Scripture is aligning with Scripture.

Continuing on, we find that the very next verse aligns with Plants being made next on the Third Day…

Genesis 2:8
"And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed."


Commentary:
According to the verse, Man was already formed before the Plants, obviously. Interestingly, God started with a Garden first, rather than filling the entire planet with plant life. This makes sense from a geoengineering perspective. Start small, then work your way up.

Genesis 2:9
"And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil."


Commentary:
God begins to make Trees. They are pleasing to the eye and good for food. We are obviously still on the Third Day.

Genesis 2:17
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."


Commentary:
Continuing within the Third Day, God gives a strict command to the First Adam to not partake of the Forbidden Fruit or else he will die on that very day. Note that there is nothing here to suggest that the First Adam would ‘die spiritually’ or ‘begin to die’ or ‘be separated from God’, etc. Those are false Church dogmas inserted into the text.

Now, since no Animals have been created yet, the First Adam is truly all alone. No problem, God has a solution…

Genesis 2:18
"And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him."


Commentary:
The verse above makes it clear that the First Adam was alone because no Animals were created yet.

Genesis 2:19 (New Heart English Bible)
And out of the ground God formed every tame animal, and every wild animal, and every flying creature of the sky, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them. And whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.


Commentary:
The timeline jumps to the Fifth Day (creation of flying creatures) and then to the Sixth Day (creation of tame and wild Animals). Note that something very important just occurred. A Law was made. Did you catch it? Whenever God creates a living being, Adam must name it. Moreover, whatever Adam ‘calls’ the newly formed being, that was its name.

Genesis 2:22
"And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man."


Commentary:
Because the Animals were not sufficient help, God creates a new being called ‘Ishshah’. Most Bibles translate this word as ‘Woman’. Note that this is not Eve! Nowhere does the name Eve show up until after the Fall.

Now, according to the Law, Adam must name this newly created being…

Genesis 2:23 (KJV)
"And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man."


Commentary:
Adam ‘calls’ the new being ‘Ishshah’, thus that was her name. Again, it was not Eve. Note that Ishshah was named by the method by which she was created. This is a common theme in the Bible. Jacob was the 'heal grabber' etc.

Eve was created by a different method, and thus as we will soon see, was consequently named per said method.

And so it was, when the First Adam, along with his Wife Ishshah, partook of the Forbidden Fruit, they died on that very day. Not only did they die the First Death, but they also died the Second Death…

Genesis 3:6 (KJV)
"And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat."


The phrase ‘surely die’ means ‘dying ye shall die’ or ‘dying the First Death, ye shall die the Second Death’. And that is precisely what happened, all within the Sixth Day. The couple became dust of the ground.

Here is a study on what the phrase ‘surely die’ means…

Ministry Magazine | Dying You Shall Die: The meaning of Genesis 2:17

And finally, Scripture gives us a foreshadow of the Resurrection of Damnation…

Genesis 3:7 (KJV)
"And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons."


Because the couple became dust of the ground, God had to resurrect them. Note that this was not the Resurrection of Glory, but rather the Resurrection of Damnation. Their eyes were opened because the dead are asleep and must be awakened. Did God lie? Of course not. Did the Word of God contradict? No.

God then proceeded to recreate the couple as per Genesis 1:27…

Genesis 1:27 (KJV)
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.


As mentioned previously, a new method of creation requires a new name...

Genesis 3:20
"And Adam called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living."


Again, according to the Law, every time God creates something new, Adam must name it.

And of course, for obvious reasons, the couple had to be given a new Covering of skin and flesh as part of the Resurrection process…

Job 10:11
“Thou hast clothed me with skin and flesh, and hast fenced me with bones and sinews.”


No, God did not ‘kill an animal’ and dress them like the Flintstones.

And there we have it. Wikipedia and all the other false teachers out there have been thoroughly debunked.

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Base12 wrote: Sun Mar 09, 2025 5:29 pm My Submission to the Challenge:

Genesis 2:4 (KJV)
“These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.”


Commentary:
The verse begins a series of ‘recaps’ of Genesis 1 with additional details being added. The focus here is on the Third Day, when the Heavens and Earth were completed and ready for its first form of life. Day means day, not 'six days'.

Genesis 2:5 (New Living Translation)
"Neither wild plants nor grains were growing on the earth. For the LORD God had not yet sent rain to water the earth, and there were no people to cultivate the soil."


Commentary:
We have confirmation that Genesis 2:4 is focusing in on the Third Day. Moreover, we are at the moment of time when no plants, and therefore no life, existed.

What was the first form of life created on the Third Day?
I think it would be good to notice, "wild plants nor grains were growing" doesn't necessary mean they were not created yet, only that they were not yet growing. It is possible that they were created as seeds and begun to grow only after first rain.
Base12 wrote: Sun Mar 09, 2025 5:29 pm Genesis 2:7 (KJV)
"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."
I think it is interesting that Genesis 2 speaks about forming and planting, not about creating, if we are literal. Therefore it could be that it is not really a creation story. However, I believe it can be just more detailed version of the 6th day and about how God created man.
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Base12 wrote: Sun Mar 09, 2025 5:29 pm My Submission to the Challenge:

Genesis 2:4 (KJV)
“These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.”


Commentary:
The verse begins a series of ‘recaps’ of Genesis 1 with additional details being added. The focus here is on the Third Day, when the Heavens and Earth were completed and ready for its first form of life. Day means day, not 'six days'.

Genesis 2:5 (New Living Translation)
"Neither wild plants nor grains were growing on the earth. For the LORD God had not yet sent rain to water the earth, and there were no people to cultivate the soil."


Commentary:
We have confirmation that Genesis 2:4 is focusing in on the Third Day. Moreover, we are at the moment of time when no plants, and therefore no life, existed.

What was the first form of life created on the Third Day?

Genesis 2:7 (KJV)
"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."


Commentary:
As we can clearly see, we have an issue. Christians are told that Man was originally created on the Sixth Day. According to the Bible however, Man was originally created on the Third Day. Who is correct? Does the dogma of the Church get to overrule what is written? Heaven forbid.

For clarity, I will refer to this being as the ‘First Adam’. Note that Jesus is the ‘Last Adam’ who rose on the Third Day. Perfect! Scripture is aligning with Scripture.

Continuing on, we find that the very next verse aligns with Plants being made next on the Third Day…

Genesis 2:8
"And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed."


Commentary:
According to the verse, Man was already formed before the Plants, obviously. Interestingly, God started with a Garden first, rather than filling the entire planet with plant life. This makes sense from a geoengineering perspective. Start small, then work your way up.

Genesis 2:9
"And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil."


Commentary:
God begins to make Trees. They are pleasing to the eye and good for food. We are obviously still on the Third Day.

Genesis 2:17
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."


Commentary:
Continuing within the Third Day, God gives a strict command to the First Adam to not partake of the Forbidden Fruit or else he will die on that very day. Note that there is nothing here to suggest that the First Adam would ‘die spiritually’ or ‘begin to die’ or ‘be separated from God’, etc. Those are false Church dogmas inserted into the text.

Now, since no Animals have been created yet, the First Adam is truly all alone. No problem, God has a solution…

Genesis 2:18
"And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him."


Commentary:
The verse above makes it clear that the First Adam was alone because no Animals were created yet.

Genesis 2:19 (New Heart English Bible)
And out of the ground God formed every tame animal, and every wild animal, and every flying creature of the sky, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them. And whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.


Commentary:
The timeline jumps to the Fifth Day (creation of flying creatures) and then to the Sixth Day (creation of tame and wild Animals). Note that something very important just occurred. A Law was made. Did you catch it? Whenever God creates a living being, Adam must name it. Moreover, whatever Adam ‘calls’ the newly formed being, that was its name.

Genesis 2:22
"And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man."


Commentary:
Because the Animals were not sufficient help, God creates a new being called ‘Ishshah’. Most Bibles translate this word as ‘Woman’. Note that this is not Eve! Nowhere does the name Eve show up until after the Fall.

Now, according to the Law, Adam must name this newly created being…

Genesis 2:23 (KJV)
"And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man."


Commentary:
Adam ‘calls’ the new being ‘Ishshah’, thus that was her name. Again, it was not Eve. Note that Ishshah was named by the method by which she was created. This is a common theme in the Bible. Jacob was the 'heal grabber' etc.

Eve was created by a different method, and thus as we will soon see, was consequently named per said method.

And so it was, when the First Adam, along with his Wife Ishshah, partook of the Forbidden Fruit, they died on that very day. Not only did they die the First Death, but they also died the Second Death…

Genesis 3:6 (KJV)
"And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat."


The phrase ‘surely die’ means ‘dying ye shall die’ or ‘dying the First Death, ye shall die the Second Death’. And that is precisely what happened, all within the Sixth Day. The couple became dust of the ground.

Here is a study on what the phrase ‘surely die’ means…

Ministry Magazine | Dying You Shall Die: The meaning of Genesis 2:17

And finally, Scripture gives us a foreshadow of the Resurrection of Damnation…

Genesis 3:7 (KJV)
"And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons."


Because the couple became dust of the ground, God had to resurrect them. Note that this was not the Resurrection of Glory, but rather the Resurrection of Damnation. Their eyes were opened because the dead are asleep and must be awakened. Did God lie? Of course not. Did the Word of God contradict? No.

God then proceeded to recreate the couple as per Genesis 1:27…

Genesis 1:27 (KJV)
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.


As mentioned previously, a new method of creation requires a new name...

Genesis 3:20
"And Adam called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living."


Again, according to the Law, every time God creates something new, Adam must name it.

And of course, for obvious reasons, the couple had to be given a new Covering of skin and flesh as part of the Resurrection process…

Job 10:11
“Thou hast clothed me with skin and flesh, and hast fenced me with bones and sinews.”


No, God did not ‘kill an animal’ and dress them like the Flintstones.

And there we have it. Wikipedia and all the other false teachers out there have been thoroughly debunked.
I follow your narrative closely, and I noticed that the first Adam created on the third day had not eaten any food for three days, only the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil on the sixth day.

In Gen 2:7 Adam was created and became a living being, it would be that he already possessed the image of God. And though there's no word "recreated" in Gen 1:27, why would God still mentioned "Let us make man in our image" in verse 26 if it was a recreation?

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Base12 wrote: Sun Mar 09, 2025 5:29 pm My Submission to the Challenge:

Genesis 2:4 (KJV)
“These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.”


Commentary:
The verse begins a series of ‘recaps’ of Genesis 1 with additional details being added. The focus here is on the Third Day, when the Heavens and Earth were completed and ready for its first form of life. Day means day, not 'six days'.
So "day" here means the 3rd 24-hour day?

If so , did God create light before he created the heavens? If yes what was the source of that light?
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Capbook wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 2:32 am I follow your narrative closely, and I noticed that the first Adam created on the third day had not eaten any food for three days, only the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil on the sixth day.
Does an immortal being need to eat food like we do?

Was the 'food' literal or symbolic?

After all, the 'food' from Tree of Knowledge was... knowledge, right?

Like this...

Jeremiah 15:16
"Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts."


How could the food be literal, physical food like we eat? That would imply that death existed before the Fall. That is contradictory to Scripture.
Capbook wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 2:32 am In Gen 2:7 Adam was created and became a living being...
He became a Living Soul to be accurate. This is just Spirit and Soul only, and no physical Body. Naked means no Body.
Capbook wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 2:32 am ...it would be that he already possessed the image of God.
Irrelevant.
Capbook wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 2:32 am And though there's no word "recreated" in Gen 1:27, why would God still mentioned "Let us make man in our image" in verse 26 if it was a recreation?
I am not sure I understand your question. Sorry.

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 2:46 am So "day" here means the 3rd 24-hour day?
Yes.
JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 2:46 am If so , did God create light before he created the heavens? If yes what was the source of that light?
God created only one of the Three Heavens before the verse you reference.

God was the Light.

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Base12 wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 3:39 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 2:46 am So "day" here means the 3rd 24-hour day?
Yes.
JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 2:46 am If so , did God create light before he created the heavens? If yes what was the source of that light?
God created only one of the Three Heavens before the verse you reference.

God was the Light.
If {quite} "God was the light" and God is eternal, in what sense was light "created" on the first 24-hour day ? Was God dark before the first day?
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 6:21 pm If {quite} "God was the light" and God is eternal, in what sense was light "created" on the first 24-hour day ? Was God dark before the first day?
Sorry, I meant God was the source of the Light. The Light itself was the Logos.

Note that the universe was not even created at that point.

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 6:21 pm Was God dark before the first day?
No.

Before the Three Heavens were created, God existed in a place of 'Unapproachable Light'...

1 Timothy 6:16
"Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen."


None of us will ever see it.

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