Evangelical Support for Trump Proves Religion is Tribal, not Principled

[Diogenes]

White Evangelicals were Trump's biggest voting block in 2016. We might give them a pass for that. But they again supported him in 2020 despite the proof he violated virtually every commandment and everything Jesus of Nazareth preached. Even now when he is charged with multiple felonies, including violating the espionage act and been convicted of fraud, "Christians still support him."

Does this prove Christianity, or at least white evangelical Christianity in the United States, is merely a tribal passion rather than a religion that believes in the principles and teachings of Jesus?

For eight years, Donald Trump has managed to secure the support of many evangelical and conservative Christians despite behavior that often seemed at odds with teachings espoused by Christ in the Gospels.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-evange ... b7344a0dd0

[The Barbarian]

[Replying to Diogenes in post #1]

Evangelical Support for Trump Proves Religion is Tribal, not Principled

Correction: Evangelical support for Trump proves [if anything] that Evangelical support is tribal, not principled.

I'm thinking the marked decline in membership of evangelical churches is one of the results of this failure to heed Jesus' admonition:

"Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's."

[Purple Knight]

I think it's okay to talk about whether anyone is really nontribal. I don't think there are a lot of people who vote against the interests of themselves and their group, and despite any and all of these outliers, ultimately, each group is still voting for the advancement of itself and even if only by lack of preference and boosts which each wants to give itself, each group also votes for the punishment of other groups.

[Wrangler]

Isn’t tribalism a principle? If so, the thread topic parses what is inherently connected.

[marke]

I'm not denying that Trump likely gave very little of his wealth to the poor like democrats claim. However, since democrats claim Trump likely gave very little to the poor I will also suggest that the list of rich democrat politicians who gave significant portions of their wealth to the poor is also extremely short. What that means is that those using this forum to attack Trump are hypocritical for not judging democrats by the same standard.

Again you fail to support ANY of your claims. Mere opinions are like stinky feet, everyone's got them. YOUR task is to find SUPPORT for your claims. Since you refuse to accept or follow forum guidelines:

5. Support your assertions/arguments with evidence. Do not persist in making a claim without supporting it. All unsupported claims can be challenged for supporting evidence. Opinions require no support, but they should not be considered as valid to any argument, nor will they be considered as legitimate support for any claim.

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Marke: I don't know which claims you want me to support. I cannot dispute whether or not Obama, for example, gave more than $1 million of his earned income to the poor, but what proof do we have that he did and what records does he give to explain where all his tens of millions of dollars came from in the first place since it was all made as a politician? Did someone donate to a 'cause' or organization in his name or did he receive taxable income first of which he in turn gave a portion to the poor? I don't trust super rich liberals when they claim they have given hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars to the poor.

How much money did Joe and Hunter Biden give to the poor while they were securing large donations from overseas operators with questionable legality and morality? I don't believe the Bidens gave very much if anything to the poor, but I cannot prove that.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to marke in post #34]

I don't know which claims you want me to support. I cannot dispute whether or not Obama, for example, gave more than $1 million of his earned income to the poor, but what proof do we have that he did and what records does he give to explain where all his tens of millions of dollars came from in the first place since it was all made as a politician? Did someone donate to a 'cause' or organization in his name or did he receive taxable income first of which he in turn gave a portion to the poor? I don't trust super rich liberals when they claim they have given hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars to the poor.

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/bl ... ax-returns

https://bidenwhitehouse.archives.gov/br ... nsparency/

[marke]

[Replying to Diogenes in post #1]

Evangelical Support for Trump Proves Religion is Tribal, not Principled

Correction: Evangelical support for Trump proves [if anything] that Evangelical support is tribal, not principled.

Marke: Are you claiming leftist democrat political support for mass-murdering terrorists is tribal?

[marke]

[Replying to marke in post #34]

I don't know which claims you want me to support. I cannot dispute whether or not Obama, for example, gave more than $1 million of his earned income to the poor, but what proof do we have that he did and what records does he give to explain where all his tens of millions of dollars came from in the first place since it was all made as a politician? Did someone donate to a 'cause' or organization in his name or did he receive taxable income first of which he in turn gave a portion to the poor? I don't trust super rich liberals when they claim they have given hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars to the poor.

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/bl ... ax-returns

https://bidenwhitehouse.archives.gov/br ... nsparency/

Marke: Anyone can can claim they did good deeds but they should not be believed if they fail to support their claims with irrefutable evidence, such as eyewitness testimony from those who benefitted from the alleged charitable gifts.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to marke in post #37]

Anyone can can claim they did good deeds but they should not be believed if they fail to support their claims with irrefutable evidence, such as eyewitness testimony from those who benefitted from the alleged charitable gifts.

Even then, eyewitnesses can be accused of being paid shills. Convenient, huh?

[Diogenes]

Isn’t tribalism a principle? If so, the thread topic parses what is inherently connected.

No, 'tribalism' is not a principle. It is a description of a particular type of group; the state of being organized by, or advocating for, tribes or tribal lifestyles. Early human evolution primarily occurred in small hunter-gatherer groups, or 'tribes' rather than more diverse societies or civilizations. Today tribalism refers to discriminatory behavior or attitudes towards out-groups, based on group loyalty rather than moral principle or what is good for all.