Does the USA need to STOP supporting ISRAEL NOW-?

[thomasdixon]

The USA has looked the other way while Israelis murder Palestinian children

The USA has looked the other way while Israelis destroy Palestinian fishing boats.

The USA has looked the other way while Israelis murder American citizens.

The USA has looked the other way while Israelis destroy Palestinian villages and then build illegally on top of the rubble.

28 Dec 2022
Benjamin Netanyahu’s incoming hardline government put West Bank settlement expansion at the top of its list of priorities on Wednesday, vowing to legalise dozens of illegally built outposts and annex the occupied territory as part of its coalition deal with its ultranational allies.
Netanyahu government makes West Bank settlement expansion its priority

We, as Americans, including American Jews must band together and demand that we, citizens of America STOP giving Israel money.
We must make our voices heard in Congress and directly to Biden.

Israel should be designated a terrorist state-?

opinions welcome yes/no/why

[ledgeRAILz]

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I hope the Middle East will be a peaceful place soon.

So many voices around the planet are complaining about the little Palestinian children being killed by Israel's defensive maneuvers to destroy the Palestinians missiles and rockets.

But the fact is that the Palestinians train and program their little children to fight and kill Jews

in 2021 - more than 3,400 rockets have bombarded Israel's cities and towns.

What if it was Little Palestinian Children who were firing these bombs and bombs. ?

Little Palestinian Children are all introduced to - firing ranges and rocketry and bombing environments and trained how to use these tactics in destroying Israeli civilians. From the moment Palestinian Children are able to speak and communicate, they begin training to fight and kill Jews.


Here is a - third grade recital that Palestinian children in the third grade are taught to remember and repeat together.


National Education and Socialization, Grade 3, Vol. 1, 2016–17, p. 15–16.
Activity 1: We listen and repeat:
Warrior, warrior, warrior,
Oh my land, the land of the ancestors
Warrior, warrior, warrior,

I have climbed the mountains and fought the struggle
I have conquered the impossible, and smashed the bonds
With the wind's resolve and the weapon's fire
And the determination of my people to fight the struggle

Palestine is my revenge and the land of steadfastness
By the oath under the flag
By my land and people, and the fire of pain
I will live as a warrior, I will remain a warrior,
I will die as a warrior—until my country returns.

The Palestinian children are given activities around these types of national poems that narrates to them that
the concept of “return” [into Israel] should be achieved by blood spilling and self-sacrifice.


The following poem,

“The Land of the Generous” by Hamid Mahmoud, is printed under a picture of Jerusalem, East and West.

We sing and remember:

The Land of the Generous. I vow I shall sacrifice my blood, to saturate the land of the generous, And will eliminate the usurper from my country, and will annihilate the remnants of the foreigners.


Our Beautiful Language, Grade 3, Vol. 2, 2016–17, p 64.

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Palestinian children are expected to become martyrs; in other words, to be killed in conflicts with defensive Israeli security forces.

Palestinian children are taught that they are called - “The Martyr.” Getting killed in clashesbecomes part of the curriculum.


When Palestinian children reach Grade 4 they are taught

Our Beautiful Language, Vol. 1, 2016–17, pp. 32–35.

While Layla is dreaming about the return to Palestine/Israel, in the following poem by Ibrahim Ali, two young members of Fatah, the lion cub boy and the flower girl, are ready to attack.

The accompanying illustration shows the two, in uniform, against the background of a blood-spilled path leading to Jerusalem. They commit themselves to

conquer Haifa, Jaffa and Jerusalem.

The fact is, Palestinian children spend their entire lives training and learning how to make bombs and rockets and weapons of terrorism - from the moment they are able to communicate and receive instructions, they are taught how to kidnap Jews and their training puts them directly on the battlefield and in the line of fire.

[Athetotheist]

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I hope the Middle East will be a peaceful place soon.

So many voices around the planet are complaining about the little Palestinian children being killed by Israel's defensive maneuvers to destroy the Palestinians missiles and rockets.

But the fact is that the Palestinians train and program their little children to fight and kill Jews

in 2021 - more than 3,400 rockets have bombarded Israel's cities and towns.

What if it was Little Palestinian Children who were firing these bombs and bombs. ?

Little Palestinian Children are all introduced to - firing ranges and rocketry and bombing environments and trained how to use these tactics in destroying Israeli civilians. From the moment Palestinian Children are able to speak and communicate, they begin training to fight and kill Jews.


Here is a - third grade recital that Palestinian children in the third grade are taught to remember and repeat together.


National Education and Socialization, Grade 3, Vol. 1, 2016–17, p. 15–16.
Activity 1: We listen and repeat:
Warrior, warrior, warrior,
Oh my land, the land of the ancestors
Warrior, warrior, warrior,

I have climbed the mountains and fought the struggle
I have conquered the impossible, and smashed the bonds
With the wind's resolve and the weapon's fire
And the determination of my people to fight the struggle

Palestine is my revenge and the land of steadfastness
By the oath under the flag
By my land and people, and the fire of pain
I will live as a warrior, I will remain a warrior,
I will die as a warrior—until my country returns.

The Palestinian children are given activities around these types of national poems that narrates to them that
the concept of “return” [into Israel] should be achieved by blood spilling and self-sacrifice.


The following poem,

“The Land of the Generous” by Hamid Mahmoud, is printed under a picture of Jerusalem, East and West.

We sing and remember:

The Land of the Generous. I vow I shall sacrifice my blood, to saturate the land of the generous, And will eliminate the usurper from my country, and will annihilate the remnants of the foreigners.


Our Beautiful Language, Grade 3, Vol. 2, 2016–17, p 64.

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Palestinian children are expected to become martyrs; in other words, to be killed in conflicts with defensive Israeli security forces.

Palestinian children are taught that they are called - “The Martyr.” Getting killed in clashesbecomes part of the curriculum.


When Palestinian children reach Grade 4 they are taught

Our Beautiful Language, Vol. 1, 2016–17, pp. 32–35.

While Layla is dreaming about the return to Palestine/Israel, in the following poem by Ibrahim Ali, two young members of Fatah, the lion cub boy and the flower girl, are ready to attack.

The accompanying illustration shows the two, in uniform, against the background of a blood-spilled path leading to Jerusalem. They commit themselves to

conquer Haifa, Jaffa and Jerusalem.

The fact is, Palestinian children spend their entire lives training and learning how to make bombs and rockets and weapons of terrorism - from the moment they are able to communicate and receive instructions, they are taught how to kidnap Jews and their training puts them directly on the battlefield and in the line of fire.

[oldbadger]

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I hope the Middle East will be a peaceful place soon.

So many voices around the planet are complaining about the little Palestinian children being killed by Israel's defensive maneuvers to destroy the Palestinians missiles and rockets.

But the fact is that the Palestinians train and program their little children to fight and kill Jews

I didn't read any more.
You have no idea about what little Palestinian children think, but it would be a good guess to think that little Palestinian children certainly hate both Hamas and the IDF soldiers who they've seen and heard killing them.

After the continuous killings of scores and scores of thousands of civilians in Palestine I should think that the entire population will remember what the Israeli government has done to them.

Most of the World considers the Israeli leadership to be international criminals.

[ledgeRAILz]

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the very purpose of the USA bombing of the German Cities was intended to directly target and terrorize and kill the civilian population - to force Germany to surrender and stop terrorizing

it is estimated that 400,000 to 600,000 Innocent German civilians were intentionally killed -

- yes, women babies and children are the target in a real war... after the Americans chased the Germans around Europe for 6 years as approximately 20 million European civilians died during World War II, then the United States took the war to the civilians of Germany

hitting factories, supplies, women and children who were working to replenish the German Military were a direct target.

this is the case in every real war.


Same in Japan - the purpose of the USA bombing Japan was intended to to directly target and terrorize and kill the civilian population - to force Japan to surrender and stop terrorizing

it is estimated over a million Innocent Japanese civilians were intentionally killed -

in Italy the USA intended to directly target and terrorize and kill the civilian population in an attempt to break the will of Italy to continue with the war.

it is estimated 30,000 innocent Italian civilians were intentionally killed
this is what must be done and has been done in every major war, the USA was fighting a war against 3 superpowers, Italy, Germany and Japan - this war was impossible for the USA to sustain itself and the only choice was to kill the woman and children of our enemies.

the same is in Israel - Israel does not lash out suddenly against its Muslim neighbors unless there is an attack by the Muslim neighbors



yes, the Muslims train and use their children in the war against Israel to assist in keeping the Muslim soldiers equipped with weapons and supplies,
Israel is a tiny country. Israel is 0.16% of the Arab states.

less that 1 % than its enemies

In other words Arab states combined are 630 times bigger than Israel - Israel kills the children of the enemy to protect the future of their children against an enemy that has a religious mandate from God to destroy the Jews -

The Government and Military of Israel has never once stated they plan to destroy all Muslims

it is the total opposite.



“Judgement Day will not come until the Muslims fight the Jew. The Jew will hide behind the stones and the trees, and the stones and the trees will say, oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew hiding behind me — come and kill him.”

Al-Bukhari, Fath-ul-Bari, no. 3593 and 2925; Muslim, nos. 2921 and 2922; and Al-Tirmidhi, Al-Jami’, no. 2237.
Al-Bukhari, Sahih, Book on merits and virtues, no. 2593; Muslim, Sahih, Book on trials and signs of the Hour, no. 2921; Al-Tirmidhy, Sunan, Book on trials, no. 2236; and Ahmad, vol. 2, p. 135.

Imam Ahmad, vol. 2, p. 67, vol. 3, p. 119, and vol. 4, p. 338; 122, 131, 149, 398, 417, and 530, and vol. 4, p. 217
and Ibn Majah, no. 4128

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to ledgeRAILz in post #54]

Israel does not lash out suddenly against its Muslim neighbors unless there is an attack by the Muslim neighbors

Israel has spent decades occupying the land of its neighbors, demolishing its neighbors' homes, tightly controlling its neighbors' travel, limiting its neighbors' access to water and electricity......

Maybe Israel's neighbors would have better feelings toward Israel if Israel would go away and leave them alone.

[oldbadger]

the very purpose of the USA bombing of the German Cities was intended to directly target and terrorize and kill the civilian population - to force Germany to surrender and stop terrorizing

Digging up 80 year old situations and applying your particular ideas to them for the purposes of excusing what Israel is doing to the civilians of Gaza is very sad.

You would have been more accurate if you had told us about the genocide being conducted by Israel's leaders coming close to what Hitler did to Freemasons, Blacks, Gays, Handicapped, Eastern Europeans, and of course the Jews.

[ledgeRAILz]

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In 1875, the Jews were the majority of the population of Jerusalem

and by 1905 - two-thirds of its citizens were all Jews

The Encyclopaedia Britannica of 1910 gives the total population figure of Jerusalem as 60,000, of whom 40,000 were Jews.



hundreds of millions of dollars were paid by Jewish buyers to Arab landowners - who owned the land and willingly sold the land.

Most all Arabs living in Israel did not own the land, they rented and many of them were nomads who simply were passing through from time to time and many were trespassers and squatters who were in hiding due to previous Arab against Arab wars and conflicts.

In 1944, Jews paid between $1,000 and $1,100 per - acre in Palestine for dry sandy unfertile lands. and hundreds of millions of dollars were paid to Arab land owners whom mostly were Muslim Governments who were the landowners.

in the same year rich black soil in the state of Iowa was selling for about $110 per acre (U.S. Department of Agriculture).


The Arab Muslim countries began to see more Jews around the world returning to their homeland and the Arab governments declared war and the Arabs living along the borders of Israel moved out of the area because they expected that a war would successfully exterminate and enslave the Jewish people

and they would then hold the surviving Jews for ransom and extract even more money.

Please Remember

In WW ll the Arab countries assisted Adolf Hitler and 70,000 Muslims joined Adolf Hitler's SS Nazi army

70,000 Muslims fought for Hitler and they were literally called { Jew hunters. } who hunted and captured and killed Jews in and around Middle East. - Also fighting against the Soviet Union border.

After WW ll - England, France and America who had defeated the Nazis and the 70,000 Islamic forces, then took full control of the Middle East - All Jews were then given safe passage to Israel


In 1972, Israel approved a plan to compensate all Arabs who lost land in 1948, with a total budget of $100 million dollars

Arabs who lost property could file claims with Israel's Custodian of Absentee Property.

In 1973, a compensation of up to 160% of the value of lost property and also provided compensation to tenants who lived in the land

the war in the middle east ended on September 2, 1945 - the Arabian Governments who all supported Hitler and the German and Italian war effort, lost .... it is time to rebuild and move into reality - or face another defeat

Arabian countries simply refuse to accept that the WWll is over - and that Arabia and Islam did not win anything whatsoever by joining Adolf Hitler....

[ledgeRAILz]

Israel was not a place of wealthy Arabian societies who lived prosperously and lively in Israel, It was just a place where there was no crops, no grazing lands, no oil, no resources and no trade...

Arabian Government, who were associated with wealthy land owners and resource developers claimed to have owned the land and they were paid enormous amounts of cash by Jews and the Arabians they took the money and agreed to sell the land and a very top price...

Israel agreed to allow Arabs who did not want to leave to live in a nearby settlement and have business, friendship and work together with nearby Arabian families but this is not the way of Islam.

Islam demands that the Muslims must dominate over the Jew

the nearby Arabian communities simply fled and ran away from their homes because they were convinced that the Arabian Government Military would attack the Jews and they were running away from the battlefield to a safe location until the attack was completed - -

after the attacks the Jews who allowed Arabs to come near their borders were being terrorized and attacked and shot at by civilian Arabs who would one day present themselves as peaceful neighbors and then suddenly set off a bomb, shoot with sniper rifles at Jewish women and children, suddenly attack and then suddenly go back to presenting themselves as peaceful neighbors

this is not neighbor that you allow near your home

[historia]

Maybe Israel's neighbors would have better feelings toward Israel if Israel would go away and leave them alone.

Go where?

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to ledgeRAILz in post #57]

In 1875, the Jews were the majority of the population of Jerusalem

and by 1905 - two-thirds of its citizens were all Jews

The Encyclopaedia Britannica of 1910 gives the total population figure of Jerusalem as 60,000, of whom 40,000 were Jews.

Jerusalem is a single city, and it isn't in the Gaza Strip or the West Bank.

Most all Arabs living in Israel did not own the land, they rented.....

.....whom mostly were Muslim Governments who were the landowners.

So Arabs who didn't own the land rented it from their Arab governments.

In WW ll the Arab countries assisted Adolf Hitler and 70,000 Muslims joined Adolf Hitler's SS Nazi army

I've seen this claim before.

"The Arabs of Palestine remained largely quiescent throughout the war. Amīn al-Ḥusaynī had fled—by way of Iraq, Iran, Turkey, and Italy—to Germany, whence he broadcast appeals to his fellow Arabs to ally with the Axis powers against Britain and Zionism. Yet the mufti failed to rally Palestinian Arabs to the Axis cause. Although some supported Germany, the majority supported the Allies, and approximately 23,000 Arabs enlisted in the British forces (especially in the Arab Legion).
https://www.britannica.com/place/Palest ... -and-after