Is it a miracle?
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Is it a miracle?
Post #1Click the link to ABC News and watch the video. It's about 2 minutes long. Then decide.
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Post #2This does more to prove how little we know about the human body and medicine than the reality of miracles.Goose wrote:Click the link to ABC News and watch the video. It's about 2 minutes long. Then decide.
What would make this a miracle is someone taking the credit for it and repeating the event a few more times.
If God wanted us to have any proof of miracles then He would put one in place that cannot be denied.
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Post #3Remedial action seems so hopeless. An once of prevention equals a pound of cure.Greatest I Am wrote:This does more to prove how little we know about the human body and medicine than the reality of miracles.Goose wrote:Click the link to ABC News and watch the video. It's about 2 minutes long. Then decide.
What would make this a miracle is someone taking the credit for it and repeating the event a few more times.
If God wanted us to have any proof of miracles then He would put one in place that cannot be denied.
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Post #4I can appreciate your position here. However, I think I would then be justified in asking IF we had what you requested would you then conclude it was a miracle? Or would it be more likely that you would look for other naturalistic solutions such halucinations, hoaxes, and such if your request was met.Greatest I Am wrote:What would make this a miracle is someone taking the credit for it and repeating the event a few more times.Goose wrote:Click the link to ABC News and watch the video. It's about 2 minutes long. Then decide.
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Post #5No. If my request were met, whatever God chose as proof would be irrefutable and too strange to be anything else.Goose wrote:I can appreciate your position here. However, I think I would then be justified in asking IF we had what you requested would you then conclude it was a miracle? Or would it be more likely that you would look for other naturalistic solutions such halucinations, hoaxes, and such if your request was met.Greatest I Am wrote:What would make this a miracle is someone taking the credit for it and repeating the event a few more times.Goose wrote:Click the link to ABC News and watch the video. It's about 2 minutes long. Then decide.
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Post #6Unexplained doesn't add up to a miracle. Contrary to all experience and reason might. For instance, a body walking around with no head for weeks would be a miracle. A disturbing one. Someone living for an extended period, days or weeks, and functioning normally with a heart removed would be a miracle.Goose wrote:Click the link to ABC News and watch the video. It's about 2 minutes long. Then decide.
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Post #7But your original request doesn't seem to be all that irrefutable is my point. We could find other weaker explanations even though a miracle might be the BEST explanation for the event. If we have already determined that a miracle can't happen there is no evidence that could convince us otherwise regardless of how strange or unexplainable it is. If it were really, really, strange and seemed irrefutable we could explore other options such as we've been hypnotized, etc. Do you see what I mean?Greatest I Am wrote:No. If my request were met, whatever God chose as proof would be irrefutable and too strange to be anything else.Goose wrote:I can appreciate your position here. However, I think I would then be justified in asking IF we had what you requested would you then conclude it was a miracle? Or would it be more likely that you would look for other naturalistic solutions such halucinations, hoaxes, and such if your request was met.Greatest I Am wrote:What would make this a miracle is someone taking the credit for it and repeating the event a few more times.Goose wrote:Click the link to ABC News and watch the video. It's about 2 minutes long. Then decide.
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Post #8Yes those things sound like they would be a miracle. But if those things were to happen (or they were reported by a credible source or you personally witnessed them) would you believe it or find other explanations? If a miracle was the BEST explanation for something would you reject it?realthinker wrote:Unexplained doesn't add up to a miracle. Contrary to all experience and reason might. For instance, a body walking around with no head for weeks would be a miracle. A disturbing one. Someone living for an extended period, days or weeks, and functioning normally with a heart removed would be a miracle.Goose wrote:Click the link to ABC News and watch the video. It's about 2 minutes long. Then decide.
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Post #9II would be forced to admit fully that there is some force beyond the natural world, but I would not likely grant that it was related to any religious ideas, at least not immediately. I'd likely be left wondering and with an even more intense desire for truth.Goose wrote:Yes those things sound like they would be a miracle. But if those things were to happen (or they were reported by a credible source or you personally witnessed them) would you believe it or find other explanations? If a miracle was the BEST explanation for something would you reject it?realthinker wrote:Unexplained doesn't add up to a miracle. Contrary to all experience and reason might. For instance, a body walking around with no head for weeks would be a miracle. A disturbing one. Someone living for an extended period, days or weeks, and functioning normally with a heart removed would be a miracle.Goose wrote:Click the link to ABC News and watch the video. It's about 2 minutes long. Then decide.
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Post #10I know what you are saying but cameras cannot be hypnotized. Picture a floating, immovable rock that speaks and call’s itself a miracle.Goose wrote:But your original request doesn't seem to be all that irrefutable is my point. We could find other weaker explanations even though a miracle might be the BEST explanation for the event. If we have already determined that a miracle can't happen there is no evidence that could convince us otherwise regardless of how strange or unexplainable it is. If it were really, really, strange and seemed irrefutable we could explore other options such as we've been hypnotized, etc. Do you see what I mean?Greatest I Am wrote:No. If my request were met, whatever God chose as proof would be irrefutable and too strange to be anything else.Goose wrote:I can appreciate your position here. However, I think I would then be justified in asking IF we had what you requested would you then conclude it was a miracle? Or would it be more likely that you would look for other naturalistic solutions such halucinations, hoaxes, and such if your request was met.Greatest I Am wrote:What would make this a miracle is someone taking the credit for it and repeating the event a few more times.Goose wrote:Click the link to ABC News and watch the video. It's about 2 minutes long. Then decide.
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Now that would be irrefutable.
I would even settle for a talking snake.
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