You wake up in the middle of the Pacific.
You find wrapped bread on a table
Did some entity put the bread there at one stage?
Yes or No
A remote Island
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Re: A remote Island
Post #2You live at the base of some cliffs.rowen wrote:You wake up in the middle of the Pacific.
You find wrapped bread on a table
Did some entity put the bread there at one stage?
Yes or No
The cliffs fall down on your house. Did someone make that cliff fall?
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Re: A remote Island
Post #3Alright, I'll bite. It would be more plausible to think that maybe a boat has capsized, spilling the table and the bread into the ocean. There is no need for a supernatural explanation, as much as the OP seems to seek one.rowen wrote:You wake up in the middle of the Pacific.
You find wrapped bread on a table
Did some entity put the bread there at one stage?
Yes or No
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When adding the Island into the mix, I see no reason to think that the bread was not placed by someone who was there before.
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Re: A remote Island
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Is this a debate issue of interest to theists?rowen wrote:You wake up in the middle of the Pacific.
You find wrapped bread on a table
Did some entity put the bread there at one stage?
Yes or No
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Re: A remote Island
Post #5How long is a piece of string?rowen wrote:You wake up in the middle of the Pacific.
You find wrapped bread on a table
Did some entity put the bread there at one stage?
Yes or No
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Re: A remote Island
Post #6no,goat wrote:You live at the base of some cliffs.rowen wrote:You wake up in the middle of the Pacific.
You find wrapped bread on a table
Did some entity put the bread there at one stage?
Yes or No
The cliffs fall down on your house. Did someone make that cliff fall?
so what about the bread?
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Seeing as a loaf of bread is an inanimate object with no innate ability to be able to grow, mutate or to walk there on its own, means another human being must have been there and put it there.
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Re: A remote Island
Post #8First ... define bread. second, define table. .. third, explain the why this question has any meaning what so ever.rowen wrote:no,goat wrote:You live at the base of some cliffs.rowen wrote:You wake up in the middle of the Pacific.
You find wrapped bread on a table
Did some entity put the bread there at one stage?
Yes or No
The cliffs fall down on your house. Did someone make that cliff fall?
so what about the bread?
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�
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Re: A remote Island
Post #9Yes. What conclusion do you draw from that?rowen wrote:You wake up in the middle of the Pacific.
You find wrapped bread on a table
Did some entity put the bread there at one stage?
Yes or No
Examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
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The truth will make you free.
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First Epistle to the Church of the Thessalonians
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Post #10
What I infer from this is,
We do not object from a manufactured object that it is from human hands
We see bread that is wrapped, aha there is intelligence behind it!
We see a table, it is carved, aha there is a carver behind it
We see a beautifully done sculpture, and there must be a sculptor behind it
We see a model of the Earth and there is a brilliant artist behind it
but the whole Earth has no reasoning behind it,
the whole Earth has no intelligence, has no artistry
Yet the Earth is like a little Island in the Universe
that has everything provided for
and if we stray off that Island we are hopelessly out of our depth
as we would be if we strayed onto Mars or some other planet, that are practically barren
the fruits of the Earth, are more refined then mere bread
Water tastes far better then coca cola
Water does not taster like acid
The means to a pleasing and enjoyable life are there,
but it is all a matter of chance
So I wonder what what position really takes greater "faith"
We do not object from a manufactured object that it is from human hands
We see bread that is wrapped, aha there is intelligence behind it!
We see a table, it is carved, aha there is a carver behind it
We see a beautifully done sculpture, and there must be a sculptor behind it
We see a model of the Earth and there is a brilliant artist behind it
but the whole Earth has no reasoning behind it,
the whole Earth has no intelligence, has no artistry
Yet the Earth is like a little Island in the Universe
that has everything provided for
and if we stray off that Island we are hopelessly out of our depth
as we would be if we strayed onto Mars or some other planet, that are practically barren
the fruits of the Earth, are more refined then mere bread
Water tastes far better then coca cola
Water does not taster like acid
The means to a pleasing and enjoyable life are there,
but it is all a matter of chance
So I wonder what what position really takes greater "faith"
