Where is the line between religion and action?

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Where is the line between religion and action?

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So one theist will look to the Bible and read that all non-believers are Satan, and seems the Bible wants believers to wage war with Satan.
Then there's the teachings of Jesus that seem to indicate that we should 'do unto others...' 'be good and love one another' or some such reasoning.

So where is the line that separates the good from the bad? When are we able to say that one person is wrong in their practice or interpretation?

I ask this because I tend to regard all actions done in the name of a religion to be of that religion, and thus feel correct when I condemn the evil actions of folks who at least think they are doing the 'right thing' in the name of their religion.

I think I'm often thought to be bigoted in my views by blaming the bad actions, and maybe not weighing the good actions as heavily. I understand how I may seem bigoted, and I'm honestly trying to get past this. But I can't 'find the line'.

An extreme example, and I'm sure it is bigoted, but here goes anyway:

That Rudolph dude blows up an abortion office because he thinks abortion is murder, and he fully believes his interpretation of the Bible supports his actions.

So who's wrong here, the bomber, the abortionist, both, neither?
If abortion is wrong, then evil people are doing abortions.
If blowing people up is wrong, then evil people are blowing up people.

Where is the line? Who is the evil one? Why am I not correct when I think the evil actions of this bomber, who goes by his interpretation, are what his religion says? I understand the Bible says killing folks is wrong, but here we have two wrongs, which is the 'correct wrong'? If the abortionists are evil, then are we justified in killing them? Is this what religion says, "Kill folks when they go against religion?"

I accept that I have a bigoted view, and I am doing my best to overcome it, but I keep coming back to the belief that folks who act out of religious belief are doing the work of their religion. Is it ever okay to dislike the bad actions religion can cause? Is it ever okay to blame religion for producing bad people?

If we give credit to folks for doing good, and I know there are many who do, what do we say when others do bad? When one's view of the same belief is 'good', but the other's view is 'bad', how can we, and where do we draw the line?
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you are angry at someone arent you?
its ok we all are usualy

people do stupid things
constantly
milions of humans driving automobiles insted of organising and using an efficient public transportation sistem is doing far more damage to all the world population than all the terrorist atacks from 1700 till today combined

and with beliefs, human action is influenced, among other things, by what the individual or colective belives
it is how the human mind works, it is unavoidable
as humans base their belifes on what they are told and what little of reality they can comperhend, individual beliefs are often apsurd and unrealistic, ewen downright stupid
subsequently human actions are often same, even if this is caused by other factors also

to blame a belief system for the actions of individuals or behaviour of groups does not make as much sence as it might at first seem
while it is wise to seriously question the role of such literature and the effect its conent and diferent interpretations of same might have and are having on people and culture, all holy scripture is still basically dead letters on paper, it is a peice of literature, an inanimate thing, no more responsable for human actions than a Terry Prachet novel, ewen if this actually makes some actions of some belivers even less legitimate

i mean remember those people that blame random acts of violence on Marilyn Manson, does that kind of thinking make any logical sence, yes?

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I'm trying to figure out how we credit good actions to religious motives, but denounce bad actions as an act of individuals. Many people who do good, or have a good event will credit it to God or Jesus, but when there is a bad event, then there is no blame placed there, it becomes 'just one of them racing deals'. When these things occur in gray areas, then what? Where is the line between giving good credit to God, and not allowing God to be blamed for the bad?
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there is no line
people that belive in a good god will not blame him for bad things
people that belive in a god that is both good and bad, or nider good nor bad, wich is the same thing, will not blame god for anithing, but will pray they be spared and praise him/her, saying things like praise lord Shiva the destroyer
people that do not belive in a god or whose beliefs are not concerned with gods, good or bad, will definitly not blame any kind of god

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Now that you've explained it that way, I kinda feel a bit foolish for not understanding it sooner.
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