The Qu'ran

[McCulloch]

quraan is written by allah but other books written by person so you have to read it to make sure

Well i am sure the quran is much unique from among all the other books. [...] the quran has never been changed. The quran was and is as god says himself in the quran that the quran is copyrighted. So there are millions of copys in the world in many translation--but all the same thing. Ones in english, urdu, arabic, chinese, brail... and so on. So which one shall you read? The one that says Quran or koran or coran on the cover. And as the biggining chapter introduces the author (god). You can order many free ones from islam tomorow, or even better go to your local mosque.[...]

So I went to the quran. I read it and I felt closer to god in my whole life. I actually cryed. And now i am closer to god then ever.

I have been invited to read the Qu'ran. It has been claimed that it has the answers to the questions, How can I know if God exists? and How can I know what God wants of me? It has been implied that the divine truth of the Quran is self-evident.

For Debate: If you have read the Qu'ran or part of it, is its divine origin self-evident? Does it make a convincing argument for the existence of God?

[Goat]

I will select five random passages from the Qu'ran. At least one of them should be a direct copy from the Book of Revelation.

When can we expect your "five random passages", brother?

Do you need more time to hand pick these "random" passages...?

It took me a few minutes of my free time to write a random generator which took into account the two level structure. These are the passages:

1. 10.103
2. 43.8
3. 72.27
4. 77.27
5. 109.5

If it is true that 75% of the Qu'ran was directly copied from the Book of Revelation, then one of these should be an direct copy.

Ok. I found an online Koran at http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/koran/browse.html

Let's look at those.

10.103
Then We deliver Our apostles and those who believe-- even so (now), it is binding on Us (that) We deliver the believers.

Well, the concept is in Christianity.. but not the direct words. The concept that 'Those who believe will be 'delivered/saved/etc'. I would so no, that is not a direct copy of the bible, even if the concept influenced it.

[43.8] Then We destroyed those who were stronger than these in prowess, and the case of the ancients has gone before,

Nope.. not a copy.. and not even in Christianity.

[72.27] Except to him whom He chooses as an apostle; for surely He makes a guard to march before him and after him,

Nope.. not in the Bible

[77.27] And made therein lofty mountains, and given you to drink of sweet water?

The concept of 'God the creator', but not this phrase. Not a copy.

[109.5] Nor are you going to serve Him Whom I serve:

No.. not a copy.. not at all.


I would have to say that Apple Pie's claims are refuted.

[Apple Pie]

I will select five random passages from the Qu'ran. At least one of them should be a direct copy from the Book of Revelation.

When can we expect your "five random passages", brother?

Do you need more time to hand pick these "random" passages...?

It took me a few minutes of my free time to write a random generator which took into account the two level structure. These are the passages:

1. 10.103
2. 43.8
3. 72.27
4. 77.27
5. 109.5

If it is true that 75% of the Qu'ran was directly copied from the Book of Revelation, then one of these should be an direct copy.

ويل يومئذ للمكذبين ألم نجعل الأرض ك�اتا أحياء وأموتا وجعلنا �يها روسي شمخت وأسقينكم ماء �راتا ويل يومئذ للمكذبين

Waylun yawma-ithin lilmukaththibeena Alam najAAali al-arda kifatan Ahyaan waamwatan wajaAAalna feeha rawasiya shamikhatin waasqaynakum maan furatan waylun yawma-ithin lilmukaththibeena

Woe! Then on that day to the beliers. Did we not invoke the earth to come together? Alive and dead. And we made in it well set, high, and we provided you sweet water to drink. Woe! Then on that day to the beliers. (77.24 – 28)


Sura 77 brackets its Book of Revelation material with the phrase “waylun yawma-ithin lilmukaththibeena�…i.e. “Woe! Then on that day to the beliers�.

This trend is repeated over, and over, and over again in this chapter.

This, as previously mentioned in other posts, via the term “yawma-ithin�, refers to events of a specific day, ‘Judgment Day’, ‘Resurrection Day’. A day in which all people are gather together.

All events from the Biblical Book of Revelation.

This is the manner in which ‘The Collection’ purveys its copied material.

[TrueReligion]

I will select five random passages from the Qu'ran. At least one of them should be a direct copy from the Book of Revelation.

When can we expect your "five random passages", brother?

Do you need more time to hand pick these "random" passages...?

It took me a few minutes of my free time to write a random generator which took into account the two level structure. These are the passages:

1. 10.103
2. 43.8
3. 72.27
4. 77.27
5. 109.5

If it is true that 75% of the Qu'ran was directly copied from the Book of Revelation, then one of these should be an direct copy.

ويل يومئذ للمكذبين ألم نجعل الأرض ك�اتا أحياء وأموتا وجعلنا �يها روسي شمخت وأسقينكم ماء �راتا ويل يومئذ للمكذبين

Waylun yawma-ithin lilmukaththibeena Alam najAAali al-arda kifatan Ahyaan waamwatan wajaAAalna feeha rawasiya shamikhatin waasqaynakum maan furatan waylun yawma-ithin lilmukaththibeena

Woe! Then on that day to the beliers. Did we not invoke the earth to come together? Alive and dead. And we made in it well set, high, and we provided you sweet water to drink. Woe! Then on that day to the beliers. (77.24 – 28)


Sura 77 brackets its Book of Revelation material with the phrase “waylun yawma-ithin lilmukaththibeena�…i.e. “Woe! Then on that day to the beliers�.

This trend is repeated over, and over, and over again in this chapter.

This, as previously mentioned in other posts, via the term “yawma-ithin�, refers to events of a specific day, ‘Judgment Day’, ‘Resurrection Day’. A day in which all people are gather together.

All events from the Biblical Book of Revelation.

This is the manner in which ‘The Collection’ purveys its copied material.

What a mess you make of the translation Apple_Pie, you were asked only 1 verse, 27, and you quotedd 24-28, in your own meaning?

Evn if you want from 24-27, let me show you exactly what it is refering.

Did We not make the earth a receptacle, (77:26) for the living and the dead, (77:27) and did We not firmly fix towering mountains on it and give you sweet water to drink?

Explanation:
This is yet another argument for the possibility and reasonableness of the Hereafter. It is this very earth which since millions and millions of years has been sustaining and providing for countless different kinds of creatures. Every kind of vegetation and every kind of animal and man are living on it, To meet the requirements of aII immeasureable treasures of provisions of different kinds are corning out of its belly. Then it is on this very earth that countless members of all kinds of creatures die every day, but there exists a wonderful arrangement in that the dead bodies of all creatures are deposited in the same earth, and it again becomes ready for sustaining life and providing home to the new members of every species. This earth has not been shaped like a smooth-surfaced ball either, but here and there on it there have been set high mountains and mountain-ranges, which play an important role in causing the change of seasons and rainfall, the birth of rivers creation of fertile valleys, growth of trees which supply timber, and provisions of a variety of minerals and stones. Then in the interior of this very earth, sweet water has been stored and on its surface rivers of sweet water have been arranged and from the saline waters of the sea also vapours of pure water are raised and caused to fall as rain from the sky. Is not all this an argument to prove that an All-Powerful Sovereign has created aII this and He is not only All-Powerful but AII-Knowing and All-Wise as well'? Now, if this earth has been thus equipped and provisioned only by His power and wisdom, why should an intelligent man trod it difficult to understand that the same Sovereign by His power can wind up this world and create another world on a new pattern, and the demand of His wisdom is that he should create another world after it so that He may call man to account for the deeds he has done in this world?

(77:28) Woe on that Day to those that give the lie to the Truth!

Explanation:
Here, this sentence signifies that the people who deny the coming of the Hereafter and regard it as impossible and irrational in spite of seeing these manifest signs of Allah's power and wisdom, may remain lost in their vain imaginations if they so like. But the Day when all this takes place against their expectations, they will realize that they have earned ruin on account of their own folly


But to telll that this is copiedd from rejected book of Revelation, is without any proof again.

[Goat]

I will select five random passages from the Qu'ran. At least one of them should be a direct copy from the Book of Revelation.

When can we expect your "five random passages", brother?

Do you need more time to hand pick these "random" passages...?

It took me a few minutes of my free time to write a random generator which took into account the two level structure. These are the passages:

1. 10.103
2. 43.8
3. 72.27
4. 77.27
5. 109.5

If it is true that 75% of the Qu'ran was directly copied from the Book of Revelation, then one of these should be an direct copy.

ويل يومئذ للمكذبين ألم نجعل الأرض ك�اتا أحياء وأموتا وجعلنا �يها روسي شمخت وأسقينكم ماء �راتا ويل يومئذ للمكذبين

Waylun yawma-ithin lilmukaththibeena Alam najAAali al-arda kifatan Ahyaan waamwatan wajaAAalna feeha rawasiya shamikhatin waasqaynakum maan furatan waylun yawma-ithin lilmukaththibeena

Woe! Then on that day to the beliers. Did we not invoke the earth to come together? Alive and dead. And we made in it well set, high, and we provided you sweet water to drink. Woe! Then on that day to the beliers. (77.24 – 28)


Sura 77 brackets its Book of Revelation material with the phrase “waylun yawma-ithin lilmukaththibeena�…i.e. “Woe! Then on that day to the beliers�.

This trend is repeated over, and over, and over again in this chapter.

This, as previously mentioned in other posts, via the term “yawma-ithin�, refers to events of a specific day, ‘Judgment Day’, ‘Resurrection Day’. A day in which all people are gather together.

All events from the Biblical Book of Revelation.

This is the manner in which ‘The Collection’ purveys its copied material.

Uh.. No. It might have some concepts that were influenced by the bible, but that is not 'copying' the bible.

Can you show the passage in the bible with the same phrase, or close to it? What passage in the bible does it 'copy'? Having a concept that is similar is not copying the bible.. you need to have a sentence match. Please show the exact line in the bible this was copied from.

[TrueReligion]

I will select five random passages from the Qu'ran. At least one of them should be a direct copy from the Book of Revelation.

When can we expect your "five random passages", brother?

Do you need more time to hand pick these "random" passages...?

It took me a few minutes of my free time to write a random generator which took into account the two level structure. These are the passages:

1. 10.103
2. 43.8
3. 72.27
4. 77.27
5. 109.5

If it is true that 75% of the Qu'ran was directly copied from the Book of Revelation, then one of these should be an direct copy.

ويل يومئذ للمكذبين ألم نجعل الأرض ك�اتا أحياء وأموتا وجعلنا �يها روسي شمخت وأسقينكم ماء �راتا ويل يومئذ للمكذبين

Waylun yawma-ithin lilmukaththibeena Alam najAAali al-arda kifatan Ahyaan waamwatan wajaAAalna feeha rawasiya shamikhatin waasqaynakum maan furatan waylun yawma-ithin lilmukaththibeena

Woe! Then on that day to the beliers. Did we not invoke the earth to come together? Alive and dead. And we made in it well set, high, and we provided you sweet water to drink. Woe! Then on that day to the beliers. (77.24 – 28)


Sura 77 brackets its Book of Revelation material with the phrase “waylun yawma-ithin lilmukaththibeena�…i.e. “Woe! Then on that day to the beliers�.

This trend is repeated over, and over, and over again in this chapter.

This, as previously mentioned in other posts, via the term “yawma-ithin�, refers to events of a specific day, ‘Judgment Day’, ‘Resurrection Day’. A day in which all people are gather together.

All events from the Biblical Book of Revelation.

This is the manner in which ‘The Collection’ purveys its copied material.

Uh.. No. It might have some concepts that were influenced by the bible, but that is not 'copying' the bible.

Can you show the passage in the bible with the same phrase, or close to it? What passage in the bible does it 'copy'? Having a concept that is similar is not copying the bible.. you need to have a sentence match. Please show the exact line in the bible this was copied from.

I think we need to show Apple_Pie an example of what is copying and same phrases.

e.g Isaiah-37 & 2 Kings 19 are totaly identical.

Isaiah 37
1And it came to pass, when king Hezekiah heard it, that he rent his clothes, and covered himself with sackcloth, and went into the house of the LORD.

2And he sent Eliakim, who was over the household, and Shebna the scribe, and the elders of the priests covered with sackcloth, unto Isaiah the prophet the son of Amoz.

3And they said unto him, Thus saith Hezekiah, This day is a day of trouble, and of rebuke, and of blasphemy: for the children are come to the birth, and there is not strength to bring forth.

4It may be the LORD thy God will hear the words of Rabshakeh, whom the king of Assyria his master hath sent to reproach the living God, and will reprove the words which the LORD thy God hath heard: wherefore lift up thy prayer for the remnant that is left.

5So the servants of king Hezekiah came to Isaiah.


2 Kings-19

2 Kings 19
1And it came to pass, when king Hezekiah heard it, that he rent his clothes, and covered himself with sackcloth, and went into the house of the LORD.

2And he sent Eliakim, which was over the household, and Shebna the scribe, and the elders of the priests, covered with sackcloth, to Isaiah the prophet the son of Amoz.

3And they said unto him, Thus saith Hezekiah, This day is a day of trouble, and of rebuke, and blasphemy; for the children are come to the birth, and there is not strength to bring forth.

4It may be the LORD thy God will hear all the words of Rabshakeh, whom the king of Assyria his master hath sent to reproach the living God; and will reprove the words which the LORD thy God hath heard: wherefore lift up thy prayer for the remnant that are left.

5So the servants of king Hezekiah came to Isaiah.


These both books are attributed to different authors, so who is copying from whom? This is what is called and in real term PLAGIARISM

[Apple Pie]

What a mess you make of the translation Apple_Pie, you were asked only 1 verse, 27, and you quotedd 24-28, in your own meaning?

Showing context of any ayah is basic to determining its meaning brother.

Anyone who has studied scripture is already aware of this.

Evn if you want from 24-27, let me show you exactly what it is refering.

Did We not make the earth a receptacle, (77:26) for the living and the dead, (77:27) and did We not firmly fix towering mountains on it and give you sweet water to drink?

Explanation:
This is yet another argument for the possibility and reasonableness of the Hereafter. It is this very earth which since millions and millions of years has been sustaining and providing for countless different kinds of creatures. Every kind of vegetation and every kind of animal and man are living on it, To meet the requirements of aII immeasureable treasures of provisions of different kinds are corning out of its belly. Then it is on this very earth that countless members of all kinds of creatures die every day, but there exists a wonderful arrangement in that the dead bodies of all creatures are deposited in the same earth, and it again becomes ready for sustaining life and providing home to the new members of every species. This earth has not been shaped like a smooth-surfaced ball either, but here and there on it there have been set high mountains and mountain-ranges, which play an important role in causing the change of seasons and rainfall, the birth of rivers creation of fertile valleys, growth of trees which supply timber, and provisions of a variety of minerals and stones. Then in the interior of this very earth, sweet water has been stored and on its surface rivers of sweet water have been arranged and from the saline waters of the sea also vapours of pure water are raised and caused to fall as rain from the sky. Is not all this an argument to prove that an All-Powerful Sovereign has created aII this and He is not only All-Powerful but AII-Knowing and All-Wise as well'? Now, if this earth has been thus equipped and provisioned only by His power and wisdom, why should an intelligent man trod it difficult to understand that the same Sovereign by His power can wind up this world and create another world on a new pattern, and the demand of His wisdom is that he should create another world after it so that He may call man to account for the deeds he has done in this world?

(77:28) Woe on that Day to those that give the lie to the Truth!

Explanation:
Here, this sentence signifies that the people who deny the coming of the Hereafter and regard it as impossible and irrational in spite of seeing these manifest signs of Allah's power and wisdom, may remain lost in their vain imaginations if they so like. But the Day when all this takes place against their expectations, they will realize that they have earned ruin on account of their own folly


But to telll that this is copiedd from rejected book of Revelation, is without any proof again.

Now…let’s see what you have done.

You have attempted to mix your own words with that of someone else’s, as we can clearly see here…


http://www.qurantutoring.com/quran/Tafh ... index.html


This is called plagiarism, brother.

This is clearly not allowed on this forum, or any place else for that matter.

If you want to google your answers, then you need to clearly show where you googled your reply from – instead of word-smithing it into your reply, as if you had anything at all to do with the response.

Further, you should actually start googling a site that actually defines the terms that it is using rather than simply providing an unreferenced opinion on the matter.

[Apple Pie]

Uh.. No. It might have some concepts that were influenced by the bible, but that is not 'copying' the bible.

Some "concepts"...?

Like what, brother...?

[TrueReligion]

What a mess you make of the translation Apple_Pie, you were asked only 1 verse, 27, and you quotedd 24-28, in your own meaning?

Showing context of any ayah is basic to determining its meaning brother.

Anyone who has studied scripture is already aware of this.

Evn if you want from 24-27, let me show you exactly what it is refering.

Did We not make the earth a receptacle, (77:26) for the living and the dead, (77:27) and did We not firmly fix towering mountains on it and give you sweet water to drink?

Explanation:
This is yet another argument for the possibility and reasonableness of the Hereafter. It is this very earth which since millions and millions of years has been sustaining and providing for countless different kinds of creatures. Every kind of vegetation and every kind of animal and man are living on it, To meet the requirements of aII immeasureable treasures of provisions of different kinds are corning out of its belly. Then it is on this very earth that countless members of all kinds of creatures die every day, but there exists a wonderful arrangement in that the dead bodies of all creatures are deposited in the same earth, and it again becomes ready for sustaining life and providing home to the new members of every species. This earth has not been shaped like a smooth-surfaced ball either, but here and there on it there have been set high mountains and mountain-ranges, which play an important role in causing the change of seasons and rainfall, the birth of rivers creation of fertile valleys, growth of trees which supply timber, and provisions of a variety of minerals and stones. Then in the interior of this very earth, sweet water has been stored and on its surface rivers of sweet water have been arranged and from the saline waters of the sea also vapours of pure water are raised and caused to fall as rain from the sky. Is not all this an argument to prove that an All-Powerful Sovereign has created aII this and He is not only All-Powerful but AII-Knowing and All-Wise as well'? Now, if this earth has been thus equipped and provisioned only by His power and wisdom, why should an intelligent man trod it difficult to understand that the same Sovereign by His power can wind up this world and create another world on a new pattern, and the demand of His wisdom is that he should create another world after it so that He may call man to account for the deeds he has done in this world?

(77:28) Woe on that Day to those that give the lie to the Truth!

Explanation:
Here, this sentence signifies that the people who deny the coming of the Hereafter and regard it as impossible and irrational in spite of seeing these manifest signs of Allah's power and wisdom, may remain lost in their vain imaginations if they so like. But the Day when all this takes place against their expectations, they will realize that they have earned ruin on account of their own folly


But to telll that this is copiedd from rejected book of Revelation, is without any proof again.

Now…let’s see what you have done.

You have attempted to mix your own words with that of someone else’s, as we can clearly see here…


http://www.qurantutoring.com/quran/Tafh ... index.html


This is called plagiarism, brother.

This is clearly not allowed on this forum, or any place else for that matter.

If you want to google your answers, then you need to clearly show where you googled your reply from – instead of word-smithing it into your reply, as if you had anything at all to do with the response.

Further, you should actually start googling a site that actually defines the terms that it is using rather than simply providing an unreferenced opinion on the matter.

Apple_Pie, please accept it now, you dont have any proof. only you know 1 thing "GOOOGLING", this is whhat you do, not me.

I have my own website for "Ttafheem-Ul-Quran" , the complete commentry of Quran by Syed Abu-Al A'ala Maududi.

There is no word inserted from you, I dont do this thing as you do, my sources are reilable. andd authenticated. This commentry was started in 1949, and was finishedd around 1950's.

I know completly what I'am quoting, if you are not happpy with this commentry, I will post another, with same meaning and same translation:)

By the way, you ddidnt provide your comment on Isaiah 37 and Kings? who copied from whom?

[Apple Pie]

I know completly what I'am quoting, if you are not happpy with this commentry, I will post another, with same meaning and same translation:)

Fact is...you don't use quote marks, and you don't show references...you merely blend in your words with other peoples words.

This is called plagiarism, brother...and you have been called on it.

See that you don't do it again per the rules...

[TrueReligion]

I know completly what I'am quoting, if you are not happpy with this commentry, I will post another, with same meaning and same translation:)

Fact is...you don't use quote marks, and you don't show references...you merely blend in your words with other peoples words.

This is called plagiarism, brother...and you have been called on it.

See that you don't do it again per the rules...

Quote marks for what? Quranic translation does;nt require reference, every1 knows, but its asked from you, so you have to provide reference, Ive to correct it.

Now kindly reply to the question for Isaiah and Kings. It will prove that Bible is copied. dont run again,