A world without Religion
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A world without Religion
Post #1Imagine the banishment of all religions in humanity, what and where would humanity go from there? Would Corporatism become our new God, could Science truly give us hope and morals? Just a thought, what could happen if tomorrow no religions, no spiritual guidance, no form whatsoever of preaching would be allowed about any subject possible? What would the world be like? (I am completely neutral about this.)
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Plenty of reasons, namely involving speculation on the ultimate nature of reality or speculation on the accuracy of one's own sensory input. In general, I fully accept whatever action I am performing as truly taking place at the time it was taking place. Once in awhile though I wake up to discover I was dreaming and never actually performed the action I thought I was. So though at the moment I am performing the action I will probably always hold it as true that I am actually doing it, that does not necessarily mean I am right.Crazy Ivan wrote:A "belief" is how we hold a proposition to be true or false. While accomplishing a thing, or performing an action, how could we ever hold it as "false"?Chaosborders wrote:Huh? Could you rephrase. I think my brain might have stopped working ten minutes ago and it isn't entirely clear to me what you're asking here.
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Re: A world without Religion
Post #32This is God's purpose in the end.BOgg wrote:Imagine the banishment of all religions in humanity, what and where would humanity go from there? Would Corporatism become our new God, could Science truly give us hope and morals? Just a thought, what could happen if tomorrow no religions, no spiritual guidance, no form whatsoever of preaching would be allowed about any subject possible? What would the world be like? (I am completely neutral about this.)
What was the first religious act in the Garden of Eden?
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Post #33How do you discern God's purpose? If from a book, how do you determine which Holy Book , from which God or whether the author was accurate? If directly from a God to you, please report precisely what was said with quotation marks and whether there were any witnesses that overheard the communication.Benoni wrote:This is God's purpose in the end.BOgg wrote:Imagine the banishment of all religions in humanity, what and where would humanity go from there? Would Corporatism become our new God, could Science truly give us hope and morals? Just a thought, what could happen if tomorrow no religions, no spiritual guidance, no form whatsoever of preaching would be allowed about any subject possible? What would the world be like? (I am completely neutral about this.)
What was the first religious act in the Garden of Eden?
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Re: A world without Religion
Post #34Well done Flail.Flail wrote:How do you discern God's purpose? If from a book, how do you determine which Holy Book , from which God or whether the author was accurate? If directly from a God to you, please report precisely what was said with quotation marks and whether there were any witnesses that overheard the communication.Benoni wrote:
This is God's purpose in the end.
What was the first religious act in the Garden of Eden?
Those who claim to know a god's "purpose" have one tough row to hoe.
I look forward to seeing the evidence Benoni can provide in this regard.
The "first religious act" in the Garden of Eden seems to be Eve eating some fruit she shouldn'ta, and blaming her urge on a talking serpent.
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Post #35It would not matter what I say to you so why are you asking?Flail wrote:How do you discern God's purpose? If from a book, how do you determine which Holy Book , from which God or whether the author was accurate? If directly from a God to you, please report precisely what was said with quotation marks and whether there were any witnesses that overheard the communication.Benoni wrote:This is God's purpose in the end.BOgg wrote:Imagine the banishment of all religions in humanity, what and where would humanity go from there? Would Corporatism become our new God, could Science truly give us hope and morals? Just a thought, what could happen if tomorrow no religions, no spiritual guidance, no form whatsoever of preaching would be allowed about any subject possible? What would the world be like? (I am completely neutral about this.)
What was the first religious act in the Garden of Eden?
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Post #36
From Post 35:
It usually goes without saying, but in debate we are essentially trying to show folks we speak truth. In this regard then it is common knowledge that upon challenge of claims, one of the best ways to show one speaks truth, is to present evidence for their assertions.
Can you present such evidence, or do you a priori seek to declare your evidence won't be accepted? This is a bit of a slanderous angle, in that you imply folks are unwilling to accept what evidence you may present - all the while not presenting any. How is it even possible to reject evidence one has yet to present?
You made claims. You got challenged.
Are you willing to support your claims?
Are you willing to retract claims for which you can't offer support?
Now, as to the claims, I'll break them down for further analysis...
1- God exists (thoroughness of investigation and all that).
2- God has a "purpose".
I'll leave the referned material regarding what constitutes such "purpose" for after we establish the truthfulness of the above.
So we can determine the veracity of your claims.Benoni wrote:It would not matter what I say to you so why are you asking?Flail wrote: How do you discern God's purpose? If from a book, how do you determine which Holy Book , from which God or whether the author was accurate? If directly from a God to you, please report precisely what was said with quotation marks and whether there were any witnesses that overheard the communication.
It usually goes without saying, but in debate we are essentially trying to show folks we speak truth. In this regard then it is common knowledge that upon challenge of claims, one of the best ways to show one speaks truth, is to present evidence for their assertions.
Can you present such evidence, or do you a priori seek to declare your evidence won't be accepted? This is a bit of a slanderous angle, in that you imply folks are unwilling to accept what evidence you may present - all the while not presenting any. How is it even possible to reject evidence one has yet to present?
You made claims. You got challenged.
Are you willing to support your claims?
Are you willing to retract claims for which you can't offer support?
Now, as to the claims, I'll break them down for further analysis...
Can you offer verifiable evidence for:Benoni, back in Post 32 wrote: This is God's purpose in the end.
1- God exists (thoroughness of investigation and all that).
2- God has a "purpose".
I'll leave the referned material regarding what constitutes such "purpose" for after we establish the truthfulness of the above.
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Re: A world without Religion
Post #37Flail wrote: How do you discern God's purpose? If from a book, how do you determine which Holy Book , from which God or whether the author was accurate? If directly from a God to you, please report precisely what was said with quotation marks and whether there were any witnesses that overheard the communication.
But it does matter. If not to Flail then to the other readers of these debates who may be undecided on the issues being debated.Benoni wrote: It would not matter what I say to you so why are you asking?
You have made a claim to know God's purpose. We would like to know how you arrived at such a conclusion.
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Post #38I am sure you would but this is the wrong format and forum.McCulloch wrote:Flail wrote: How do you discern God's purpose? If from a book, how do you determine which Holy Book , from which God or whether the author was accurate? If directly from a God to you, please report precisely what was said with quotation marks and whether there were any witnesses that overheard the communication.
But it does matter. If not to Flail then to the other readers of these debates who may be undecided on the issues being debated.Benoni wrote: It would not matter what I say to you so why are you asking?
You have made a claim to know God's purpose. We would like to know how you arrived at such a conclusion.
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Re: A world without Religion
Post #39.
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 888#302888
I have started another thread "What is god's purpose?" in which you can expound upon your position in the proper format and forum -- and challenge you to attempt to do so.Benoni wrote:I am sure you would but this is the wrong format and forum.McCulloch wrote:You have made a claim to know God's purpose. We would like to know how you arrived at such a conclusion.
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 888#302888
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Post #40You should refrain then, from making truth claims you either cannot or will not support or defend when challenged. If the statement was simply your opinion based upon conjecture without evidence, please amend.Benoni wrote:I am sure you would but this is the wrong format and forum.McCulloch wrote:Flail wrote: How do you discern God's purpose? If from a book, how do you determine which Holy Book , from which God or whether the author was accurate? If directly from a God to you, please report precisely what was said with quotation marks and whether there were any witnesses that overheard the communication.
But it does matter. If not to Flail then to the other readers of these debates who may be undecided on the issues being debated.Benoni wrote: It would not matter what I say to you so why are you asking?
You have made a claim to know God's purpose. We would like to know how you arrived at such a conclusion.