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TOM BREEN, Associated Press wrote:End of Days in May? Christian group spreads word

RALEIGH, N.C. – If there had been time, Marie Exley would have liked to start a family. Instead, the 32-year-old Army veteran has less than six months left, which she'll spend spreading a stark warning: Judgment Day is almost here.

Exley is part of a movement of Christians loosely organized by radio broadcasts and websites, independent of churches and convinced by their reading of the Bible that the end of the world will begin May 21, 2011.

To get the word out, they're using billboards and bus stop benches, traveling caravans of RVs and volunteers passing out pamphlets on street corners. Cities from Bridgeport, Conn., to Little Rock, Ark., now have billboards with the ominous message, and mission groups are traveling through Latin America and Africa to spread the news outside the U.S.

"A lot of people might think, 'The end's coming, let's go party,'" said Exley, a veteran of two deployments in Iraq. "But we're commanded by God to warn people. I wish I could just be like everybody else, but it's so much better to know that when the end comes, you'll be safe."

In August, Exley left her home in Colorado Springs, Colo., to work with Oakland, Calif.-based Family Radio Worldwide, the independent Christian ministry whose leader, Harold Camping, has calculated the May 21 date based on his reading of the Bible.

She is organizing traveling columns of RVs carrying the message from city to city, a logistics challenge that her military experience has helped solve. The vehicles are scheduled to be in five North Carolina cities between now and the second week of January, but Exley will shortly be gone: overseas, where she hopes to eventually make it back to Iraq.

"I don't really have plans to come back," she said. "Time is short."

Not everyone who's heard Camping's message is taking such a dramatic step. They're remaining in their day-to-day lives, but helping publicize the prophecy in other ways. Allison Warden, of Raleigh, has been helping organize a campaign using billboards, post cards and other media in cities across the U.S. through a website, We Can Know.

The 29-year-old payroll clerk laughs when asked about reactions to the message, which is plastered all over her car.

"It's definitely against the grain, I know that," she said. "We're hoping people won't take our word for it, or Harold Camping's word for it. We're hoping that people will search the scriptures for themselves."

Camping, 89, believes the Bible essentially functions as a cosmic calendar explaining exactly when various prophecies will be fulfilled.

The retired civil engineer said all his calculations come from close readings of the Bible, but that external events like the foundation of the state of Israel in 1948 are signs confirming the date.

"Beyond the shadow of a doubt, May 21 will be the date of the Rapture and the day of judgment," he said.

The doctrine known as the Rapture teaches that believers will be taken up to heaven, while everyone else will remain on earth for a period of torment, concluding with the end of time. Camping believes that will happen in October.

"If May 21 passes and I'm still here, that means I wasn't saved. Does that mean God's word is inaccurate or untrue? Not at all," Warden said.

The belief that Christ will return to earth and bring an end to history has been a basic element of Christian belief since the first century. The Book of Revelation, which comes last in the New Testament, describes this conclusion in vivid language that has inspired Christians for centuries.

But few churches are willing to set a date for the end of the world, heeding Jesus' words in the gospels of Mark and Matthew that no one can know the day or hour it will happen. Predictions like Camping's, though, aren't new. One of the most famous in history was by the Baptist leader William Miller, who predicted the end for Oct. 22, 1844, which came to be known as the Great Disappointment among his followers, some of whom subsequently founded the Seventh Day Adventist church.

"In the U.S., there is still a significant population, mostly Protestant, who look at the Bible as kind of a puzzle, and the puzzle is God's word and it's predicting when the end times will come," said Catherine Wessinger, a professor at Loyola University in New Orleans who studies millennialism, the belief in pending apocalypse.

"A lot of times these prophecies gain traction when difficulties are happening in society," she said. "Right now, there's a lot of insecurity, and this is a promise that says it's not all random, it's part of God's plan."

Past predictions that failed to come true don't have any bearing on the current calculation, believers maintain.

"It would be like telling the Wright brothers that every other attempt to fly has failed, so you shouldn't even try," said Chris McCann, who works with eBible Fellowship, one of the groups spreading the message.

For believers like McCann, theirs is actually a message of hope and compassion: God's compassion for people, and the hope that there's still time to be saved.

That, ultimately, is what spurs on Exley, who said her beliefs have alienated her from most of her friends and family. Her hope is that not everyone who hears her message will mock it, and that even people who dismiss her now might still come to believe.

"If you still want to say we're crazy, go ahead," she said. "But it doesn't hurt to look into it."

___

Online:


Family Radio Worldwide: http://www.familyradio.com

eBible Fellowship: http://www.ebiblefellowship.com/
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Also check out their website (the first link above)

As a Christian, this really irritates the fire out of me. If you look at their website and examine their evidence, not only is it un-Biblical from a fundamentalist perspective (not in line with accepted teaching), but it is also quite bonkers. The sad thing is that their spreading their 'doom gospel' all over the place. Their reasoning cherrypicks verses and constructs a narrative -- all while claiming that it's not their opinion, but God's. One of the "proofs" they offer for the end is the "gay agenda" -- how loony.


Questions for debate:

Is this group's 'reasoning' defensible? How can it be refuted or supported, historically, biblically, etc?

Does this fringe group and their message bother you? What do you think about their warning and the "reasoning" behind it? If you are a Christian, how much harm do you think this nutty sect will bring to the faith? How many of you will laugh on May 22, 2011?


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End of Days in May? Christian group spreads word wrote:The doctrine known as the Rapture teaches that believers will be taken up to heaven, while everyone else will remain on earth for a period of torment, concluding with the end of time. Camping believes that will happen in October.
How can these Christians possibly decipher the "end of days" when they can't even interpret their own Bible correctly.

One of the most often quoted passages used to support the idea of a rapture is the following.
Matthew 24:37-41
But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Christianity teaches that those who are "saved" will be taken in the rapture. First of all, this verse says nothing about a "rapture" nor does any other verse in the Bible for that matter. Not only that, but the context of this passage is very clear when it states that the flood took away everyone but Noah and his family. In other words, the ones that are taken are the "unsaved" not the saved.

And if that is not enough to show the absurdity of Christians attempts to determine the day of the supposed rapture, the verse just before the above passage and the verse right after it say the following.
Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

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Damn. I thought I had another year left...

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Darias wrote:How many of you will laugh on May 22, 2011?
Although the Lord's return could happen at any moment, I doubt that Harold Camping knows the day or the hour. However, laughing on May 22st isn't going to be my reaction.
2 Peter 3:2-7 wrote:...you should remember the predictions of the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles,3 knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires.4 They will say, "Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation."5 For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God,6 and that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished.7 But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.
The Lord will return, Darias, and it could be tomorrow or next year or 20 years from now. We should be living as though it was going to be tomorrow.
Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.

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Darias wrote:
TOM BREEN, Associated Press wrote:End of Days in May? Christian group spreads word

RALEIGH, N.C. – If there had been time, Marie Exley would have liked to start a family. Instead, the 32-year-old Army veteran has less than six months left, which she'll spend spreading a stark warning: Judgment Day is almost here.

Exley is part of a movement of Christians loosely organized by radio broadcasts and websites, independent of churches and convinced by their reading of the Bible that the end of the world will begin May 21, 2011.

To get the word out, they're using billboards and bus stop benches, traveling caravans of RVs and volunteers passing out pamphlets on street corners. Cities from Bridgeport, Conn., to Little Rock, Ark., now have billboards with the ominous message, and mission groups are traveling through Latin America and Africa to spread the news outside the U.S.

"A lot of people might think, 'The end's coming, let's go party,'" said Exley, a veteran of two deployments in Iraq. "But we're commanded by God to warn people. I wish I could just be like everybody else, but it's so much better to know that when the end comes, you'll be safe."

In August, Exley left her home in Colorado Springs, Colo., to work with Oakland, Calif.-based Family Radio Worldwide, the independent Christian ministry whose leader, Harold Camping, has calculated the May 21 date based on his reading of the Bible.

She is organizing traveling columns of RVs carrying the message from city to city, a logistics challenge that her military experience has helped solve. The vehicles are scheduled to be in five North Carolina cities between now and the second week of January, but Exley will shortly be gone: overseas, where she hopes to eventually make it back to Iraq.

"I don't really have plans to come back," she said. "Time is short."

Not everyone who's heard Camping's message is taking such a dramatic step. They're remaining in their day-to-day lives, but helping publicize the prophecy in other ways. Allison Warden, of Raleigh, has been helping organize a campaign using billboards, post cards and other media in cities across the U.S. through a website, We Can Know.

The 29-year-old payroll clerk laughs when asked about reactions to the message, which is plastered all over her car.

"It's definitely against the grain, I know that," she said. "We're hoping people won't take our word for it, or Harold Camping's word for it. We're hoping that people will search the scriptures for themselves."

Camping, 89, believes the Bible essentially functions as a cosmic calendar explaining exactly when various prophecies will be fulfilled.

The retired civil engineer said all his calculations come from close readings of the Bible, but that external events like the foundation of the state of Israel in 1948 are signs confirming the date.

"Beyond the shadow of a doubt, May 21 will be the date of the Rapture and the day of judgment," he said.

The doctrine known as the Rapture teaches that believers will be taken up to heaven, while everyone else will remain on earth for a period of torment, concluding with the end of time. Camping believes that will happen in October.

"If May 21 passes and I'm still here, that means I wasn't saved. Does that mean God's word is inaccurate or untrue? Not at all," Warden said.

The belief that Christ will return to earth and bring an end to history has been a basic element of Christian belief since the first century. The Book of Revelation, which comes last in the New Testament, describes this conclusion in vivid language that has inspired Christians for centuries.

But few churches are willing to set a date for the end of the world, heeding Jesus' words in the gospels of Mark and Matthew that no one can know the day or hour it will happen. Predictions like Camping's, though, aren't new. One of the most famous in history was by the Baptist leader William Miller, who predicted the end for Oct. 22, 1844, which came to be known as the Great Disappointment among his followers, some of whom subsequently founded the Seventh Day Adventist church.

"In the U.S., there is still a significant population, mostly Protestant, who look at the Bible as kind of a puzzle, and the puzzle is God's word and it's predicting when the end times will come," said Catherine Wessinger, a professor at Loyola University in New Orleans who studies millennialism, the belief in pending apocalypse.

"A lot of times these prophecies gain traction when difficulties are happening in society," she said. "Right now, there's a lot of insecurity, and this is a promise that says it's not all random, it's part of God's plan."

Past predictions that failed to come true don't have any bearing on the current calculation, believers maintain.

"It would be like telling the Wright brothers that every other attempt to fly has failed, so you shouldn't even try," said Chris McCann, who works with eBible Fellowship, one of the groups spreading the message.

For believers like McCann, theirs is actually a message of hope and compassion: God's compassion for people, and the hope that there's still time to be saved.

That, ultimately, is what spurs on Exley, who said her beliefs have alienated her from most of her friends and family. Her hope is that not everyone who hears her message will mock it, and that even people who dismiss her now might still come to believe.

"If you still want to say we're crazy, go ahead," she said. "But it doesn't hurt to look into it."

___

Online:


Family Radio Worldwide: http://www.familyradio.com

eBible Fellowship: http://www.ebiblefellowship.com/
_____
SOURCE


Also check out their website (the first link above)

As a Christian, this really irritates the fire out of me. If you look at their website and examine their evidence, not only is it un-Biblical from a fundamentalist perspective (not in line with accepted teaching), but it is also quite bonkers. The sad thing is that their spreading their 'doom gospel' all over the place. Their reasoning cherrypicks verses and constructs a narrative -- all while claiming that it's not their opinion, but God's. One of the "proofs" they offer for the end is the "gay agenda" -- how loony.


Questions for debate:

Is this group's 'reasoning' defensible? How can it be refuted or supported, historically, biblically, etc?

Does this fringe group and their message bother you? What do you think about their warning and the "reasoning" behind it? If you are a Christian, how much harm do you think this nutty sect will bring to the faith? How many of you will laugh on May 22, 2011?



Well their reasoning is based on the theory of the 7000 Year plan of God. But their trusting in the date of 4999BC as the start of that count is flawed. They assume that Historians have correctly mapped out History since the start of the 7000 years. But there is much uncertainty about the time keeping. Also they should be following the Biblical cacalenderThat cacalenderould probably come up with a different date.

They are also using the month and the day of the Great Flood as an accurate shadow of the future. But this also is debatable as a shadow, and if it is a shadow of something then it might be pointing to another happening.


If the 7000 Year theory is accurate then the more accurate pinpoint to anchor a date would be the day of the Death of the Messiah Jesus. That would be year 5000. Because Jesus died either in the year 29AD or 30 AD then that would point to 2029 or 2030

As the bible says clearly No one will know the hour or the day. So once someone declares the day of the Messiah's return you know they are either lying or are self dedeceived

This Day and Hour restriction does not however preclude the Year or Month.

Also pre-tribulation rapture is not supported by Scripture. But a Rapture happening on the day of the Messiah's retun to earth is supported by scripture.



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fewwillfindit wrote:
Darias wrote:How many of you will laugh on May 22, 2011?
Although the Lord's return could happen at any moment, I doubt that Harold Camping knows the day or the hour. However, laughing on May 22st isn't going to be my reaction.
2 Peter 3:2-7 wrote:...you should remember the predictions of the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles,3 knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires.4 They will say, "Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation."5 For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God,6 and that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished.7 But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.
The Lord will return, Darias, and it could be tomorrow or next year or 20 years from now. We should be living as though it was going to be tomorrow.

We should be living as though it was going to be tommorow. Not because it could be the Day of the second coming but because we could die tommorow. In effect the same thing.



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Everybody calm down. This is the Hebrew year 5771, and since the Sabbath Millenium won't begin till 7000, we have 129 years left....

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May 21st 2011?? I refuse. That's only 4 days before my 21st birthday.

Judging by their website, their conclusions don't seem biblically supportable unless you're willing to twist the Bible in weird angles. Clearly there is no other source of support whatsoever.

This really brings Pascal's Wager to mind. "If I'm wrong and there is no god, I lose nothing" certainly does not apply in the case of these people. They are actually putting their lives on hold for 5 months because of a questionable reading of the Bible, investing time and quite a bit money on spreading the word. If I die and go to Hell on May 21st 2011, I'll try to log in here and retract this first :P but until then, I'm just going to go ahead and continue living as always.
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Adstar wrote:We should be living as though it was going to be tommorow. Not because it could be the Day of the second coming but because we could die tommorow. In effect the same thing.
I submit that the two are nothing alike whatsoever.

1. Death is a guarantee; the Second Coming is like the hydrogen powered automobile--always just a few year around the bend, but never actually arriving.
2. Death ends one life and saddens others, but the pieces get picked up and the living carry on; the Second Coming magically transforms real, fleshy people into superheroes without moral choices.
3. Death is its own tragedy; the Second Coming thinks that death is not merely sufficient torture for having been human, and therefore postulates a never ending human barbecue for nearly everyone who has ever lived.
4. Death needs to be faced; those who depend on the Second Coming generally fail to learn this important life skill, in my observation--ironically both immune to death and petrified of it.

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Adstar wrote:We should be living as though it was going to be tomorrow. Not because it could be the Day of the second coming but because we could die tomorrow. In effect the same thing.
I submit that the two are nothing alike whatsoever.

1. Death is a guarantee; the Second Coming is like the hydrogen powered automobile--always just a few year around the bend, but never actually arriving.
The second coming will happen on the exact day and time it was always going to happen on. And they have actually built a Hydrogen car :) but they have not mass produced it yet. Got to let the Oil giants get the last drop of blood out of the stone before they allow Hydrogen to take over.
2. Death ends one life and saddens others, but the pieces get picked up and the living carry on; the Second Coming magically transforms real, fleshy people into superheroes without moral choices.
Well apart from the "without moral choices" (i do not know what you mean here)
the rapture will be similar because those left behind will indeed be lamenting. Sadly though they will not be picking up any pieces.
3. Death is its own tragedy; the Second Coming thinks that death is not merely sufficient torture for having been human, and therefore postulates a never ending human barbecue for nearly everyone who has ever lived.
Well the Bible proclaims that the numbers saved will be beyond the ability of a man to count. But apart from that only two people will be cast into the Lake of Fire on the Day of the return of the Messiah Jesus. The beast and the false prophet. There will be a further 1000 years before the final judgement when more will be cast into the Lake of Fire.
4. Death needs to be faced; those who depend on the Second Coming generally fail to learn this important life skill, in my observation--ironically both immune to death and petrified of it.


Well for most people death does not need to be faced. Most people live happy in denial of death till the day they die. Apart from people who are forced to face the reality of death because they are prognosed with terminal diseases most people live in denial of death.


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