Can humans create orginal thoughts out of nothing?

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Can humans create orginal thoughts out of nothing?

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Can humans create orginal thoughts out of nothing?

We seem to extrapolate from things we've seen and experienced.

Could you give an example of an original thought, created out of nothing and totally independent from any external input?

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I believe genuine creativity can exist. The human brain is a complex thing, and when synapses fire randomly, during dreams for instance, there's no telling what you may get.

I've had dreams where things have happened that I am nearly sure had minimal outside influences. In principle, I have no objection to the idea of an original thought. If you consider many of the mind's operations random (not from a scientific perspective, from a practical perspective), then it's not hard to believe that something new could come out of it. I would blame the world's apparent lack of creativity in the modern age on an information overload, not a necessary lack of creativity. Have you seen some of the stuff little kids come up with?

I think a much better question, philosophically, is can one choose to have an original thought? If we cannot, then how can we justifiably take credit for them?

EDIT: It should be noted that in order to actually do anything with a thought you must have outside influence. For example, I could say all visual thoughts are derivative of the fact that I see. Were I blind, I'd never imagine anything visually. If I were deaf, I'd never have a conception of music. In that sense you are working within parameters.

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It would seem like the notion of private property came out of nowhere when, as Rousseau says, a prehistoric human looks at something and says, "This is mine".

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Games like chess are concepts and can be created out of 'nothing'. For me, a theist, many thoughts have their origin in consciousness spiritual reality and not only physical sensations.

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Re: Can humans create orginal thoughts out of nothing?

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Celsus wrote:Can humans create orginal thoughts out of nothing?

We seem to extrapolate from things we've seen and experienced.

Could you give an example of an original thought, created out of nothing and totally independent from any external input?
No, it seems we are grounded or rooted not only in our experiences but those are rooted in our evolution and biology which includes out brains and senses.
Even what we see in the Universe seem to have emerge room the properties of the Universe as it expanded and not from nothing. Even the Universe doesn't seem to have come from nothing as there was some state before even if it was nothing but asymmetrical possibility or potential.

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To quote to obvious;

Ecclesiastes 1:9-14 (English Standard Version)
9 What has been is what will be,
and what has been done is what will be done,
and there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Is there a thing of which it is said,
"See, this is new"?
It has been already
in the ages before us.
11 There is no remembrance of former things,
nor will there be any remembrance
of later things yet to be
among those who come after

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Berny wrote:To quote to obvious;

Ecclesiastes 1:9-14 (English Standard Version)
9 What has been is what will be,
and what has been done is what will be done,
and there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Is there a thing of which it is said,
"See, this is new"?
It has been already
in the ages before us.
11 There is no remembrance of former things,
nor will there be any remembrance
of later things yet to be
among those who come after

Is that true though? I mean, when that was written, they had no clue about many things that we take for granted today. Even something as simple and primitive as a hot air balloon would be NEW under the sun to the person who wrote that.
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�

Steven Novella

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