Sex and the Bible

[Angel]

What is sex?

Here's a view from one website (its not a scholarly based website from what I can tell but was still helpful) regarding what sex is according to the Bible:

For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. (Genesis 2:24, The Scriptures)

The Hebrew phrase "echad basar" means "one flesh" or "one body" and literally describes the physical act of the penis penetrating into the body of another person. More specifically, it refers to a man and a woman joining their bodies together in penile-vaginal sexual intercourse. For example, a husband and wife join together at night and become "one flesh" or "one body". They become "one flesh" during the act of sexual intercourse. What is important to understand is that being "one flesh" with someone is not a state of existence; it is a state of action.

Most Believers already understand that a man and a woman become "one flesh" through sexual intercourse. What many do not understand is that a man and a man may technically become "one flesh" as well, although this is an abomination and is forbidden throughout Scripture. However, a woman and a woman CANNOT become "one flesh", simply because they lack the physical equipment necessary for that possibility. They might be sexually intimate, but they can never become “one flesh� as defined in Scripture. In order for this “echad basar� act to occur, a penetrating male must be present, which is why it is not possible for women to ever be one flesh with each other. Sexual penetration is the act of joining together as one flesh.

Source: http://www.righteouswarriors.com/contro ... cle11.html
The section entitled, One Flesh.

So I'll ask the debate questions..

1. Acording to the Bible, what is sex? Is the article I quoted from correct and therefore according to the writers of the Bible, oral sex and other non-intercourse sex acts (sex as we call it today) not considered sex?

2. Do the explanations in the quoted article accurately explain why the Bible is silent on the issue of same-sex acts between women unlike the condemnation of same-sex acts between men?

[notachance]

What is sex?

Here's a view from one website (its not a scholarly based website from what I can tell but was still helpful) regarding what sex is according to the Bible:

For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. (Genesis 2:24, The Scriptures)

The Hebrew phrase "echad basar" means "one flesh" or "one body" and literally describes the physical act of the penis penetrating into the body of another person. More specifically, it refers to a man and a woman joining their bodies together in penile-vaginal sexual intercourse. For example, a husband and wife join together at night and become "one flesh" or "one body". They become "one flesh" during the act of sexual intercourse. What is important to understand is that being "one flesh" with someone is not a state of existence; it is a state of action.

Most Believers already understand that a man and a woman become "one flesh" through sexual intercourse. What many do not understand is that a man and a man may technically become "one flesh" as well, although this is an abomination and is forbidden throughout Scripture. However, a woman and a woman CANNOT become "one flesh", simply because they lack the physical equipment necessary for that possibility. They might be sexually intimate, but they can never become “one flesh� as defined in Scripture. In order for this “echad basar� act to occur, a penetrating male must be present, which is why it is not possible for women to ever be one flesh with each other. Sexual penetration is the act of joining together as one flesh.

This is clearly nonsense written by barbarians barely out of the caveman stage, without the slightest empirical knowledge of physiology, sexual physiology and anatomy, and nothing to inform their worldview other than a troglodyte-like "Man put penis in woman vagina" understanding of affairs.

The notion that lesbianism cannot attain the "one flesh" status is patently false. It does NOT stand to reason that a penis is adequate to attaining that, but a tongue is not.

This is just stuff bronze age barbarians scribbled on sheep skin. Not to be taken seriously by people with an IQ above 70 and an education above 3rd grade.

1. Acording to the Bible, what is sex? Is the article I quoted from correct and therefore according to the writers of the Bible, oral sex and other non-intercourse sex acts (sex as we call it today) not considered sex?

According to the Bible "proper" sex is only when you do it exactly as they tell you to, because by repressing and channelling your sexuality they get to control you. If you do anything else, then you're burning in hell.

2. Do the explanations in the quoted article accurately explain why the Bible is silent on the issue of same-sex acts between women unlike the condemnation of same-sex acts between men?

No. The Bible is silent on women issues, because the bronze age barbarians who wrote it considered women as no more important than cattle.

A man being gay would mean that he would not get women pregnant and would not contribute to the growth of the tribe, which would (maybe rightfully) have been considered bad by barbarians one bad epidemic away from extinction.

But if a woman is gay, it doesn't matter. She still gets raped by men and is forced to have babies. It's not like the Bible gives women reproductive rights!

So there is no reason for those barbarians to speak out against women being gay.

A woman being gay is not going to prevent her from getting pregnant, just like a cow being unwilling to be eaten is not going to prevent it from being butchered.

[forumwarrior]

1. Acording to the Bible, what is sex? Is the article I quoted from correct and therefore according to the writers of the Bible, oral sex and other non-intercourse sex acts (sex as we call it today) not considered sex?

2. Do the explanations in the quoted article accurately explain why the Bible is silent on the issue of same-sex acts between women unlike the condemnation of same-sex acts between men?

i havent read anywhere where the bible elaborates on what "one flesh" means. sounds like echad basar is more jewish tradition. makes sense to me though. i would be interested to know whether or not jews said only "echad basar" is sex.

[Goat]

What is sex?

Here's a view from one website (its not a scholarly based website from what I can tell but was still helpful) regarding what sex is according to the Bible:

For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. (Genesis 2:24, The Scriptures)

The Hebrew phrase "echad basar" means "one flesh" or "one body" and literally describes the physical act of the penis penetrating into the body of another person. More specifically, it refers to a man and a woman joining their bodies together in penile-vaginal sexual intercourse. For example, a husband and wife join together at night and become "one flesh" or "one body". They become "one flesh" during the act of sexual intercourse. What is important to understand is that being "one flesh" with someone is not a state of existence; it is a state of action.

Most Believers already understand that a man and a woman become "one flesh" through sexual intercourse. What many do not understand is that a man and a man may technically become "one flesh" as well, although this is an abomination and is forbidden throughout Scripture. However, a woman and a woman CANNOT become "one flesh", simply because they lack the physical equipment necessary for that possibility. They might be sexually intimate, but they can never become “one flesh� as defined in Scripture. In order for this “echad basar� act to occur, a penetrating male must be present, which is why it is not possible for women to ever be one flesh with each other. Sexual penetration is the act of joining together as one flesh.

Source: http://www.righteouswarriors.com/contro ... cle11.html
The section entitled, One Flesh.

So I'll ask the debate questions..

1. Acording to the Bible, what is sex? Is the article I quoted from correct and therefore according to the writers of the Bible, oral sex and other non-intercourse sex acts (sex as we call it today) not considered sex?

2. Do the explanations in the quoted article accurately explain why the Bible is silent on the issue of same-sex acts between women unlike the condemnation of same-sex acts between men?

Well, the only 'Jewish' sources that try to promote that I see are 'messianic jewish' sites. They tend to have southern baptist theology.

The one discussion I saw on a Jewish site implied that it was a 'spiritual' melding, as well as a physical one. While sex is implied it also was implying family. So, while sex is included, it is not exclusive.

[Angel]

In reference to the opening post, I see that the New Testament also explains that the reference of 'two becoming one flesh' means sexual intercourse. It can also mean a spiritual union as Goat has brought up.


1 Corinthians 6:16-17
16 Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.� 17 But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in spirit.

This would also go against the views of those who think that you can only become one with one person to reinforce God only wanting monogamous marriages only. From the passage I quote we see we can become one with prostitutes (which is an act OUTSIDE of marriage). When a person's wife dies, they'd also be becoming one with their new wife which means a husband has become one with at least 2 women in his lifetime, so far.

[Flail]

What is sex?

Here's a view from one website (its not a scholarly based website from what I can tell but was still helpful) regarding what sex is according to the Bible:

For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. (Genesis 2:24, The Scriptures)

The Hebrew phrase "echad basar" means "one flesh" or "one body" and literally describes the physical act of the penis penetrating into the body of another person. More specifically, it refers to a man and a woman joining their bodies together in penile-vaginal sexual intercourse. For example, a husband and wife join together at night and become "one flesh" or "one body". They become "one flesh" during the act of sexual intercourse. What is important to understand is that being "one flesh" with someone is not a state of existence; it is a state of action.

Most Believers already understand that a man and a woman become "one flesh" through sexual intercourse. What many do not understand is that a man and a man may technically become "one flesh" as well, although this is an abomination and is forbidden throughout Scripture. However, a woman and a woman CANNOT become "one flesh", simply because they lack the physical equipment necessary for that possibility. They might be sexually intimate, but they can never become “one flesh� as defined in Scripture. In order for this “echad basar� act to occur, a penetrating male must be present, which is why it is not possible for women to ever be one flesh with each other. Sexual penetration is the act of joining together as one flesh.

Source: http://www.righteouswarriors.com/contro ... cle11.html
The section entitled, One Flesh.

So I'll ask the debate questions..

1. Acording to the Bible, what is sex? Is the article I quoted from correct and therefore according to the writers of the Bible, oral sex and other non-intercourse sex acts (sex as we call it today) not considered sex?

2. Do the explanations in the quoted article accurately explain why the Bible is silent on the issue of same-sex acts between women unlike the condemnation of same-sex acts between men?

The Bible doesn't apply to women. It was written by men, for men and about men and an all powerful male supernatural being....almost every primary character has a penis...like a priest for catholics, like citizens of Syria. The bible was written during times when women were irrelevant, powerless and trivial.

[Strider324]

Like a lot of subjects, the bible is used by elements of the church to demonize sexuality, even though it glorifies the sensuality of sex outside of the need for procreation - see the Song of Solomon for one. I reckon they just can't make up their minds.

Puritan 'ethics' gave us the following:

"...it is quite sufficient to cast one´s eyes on the voluptuous intertwining of the limbs and close compressure on the bodies...., to see that it is indeed far removed from the modest reserve which has hitherto been considered distinctive of English females. So long as this obscene display was confined to prostitutes and adulteresses, we did not think it deserving of notice; but now that it is attempted to be forced on the respectable classes of society by the civil examples of their superiors, we feel it a duty to warn every parent against exposing his daughter to so fatal a contagion."

What was this egregious, sinful activity worthy of condemnation in 1812? That´s right, it was the Waltz....

The failure of Puritanism to snuff out this highly erotic behavior is of course the reason for our declining morals today.....

They would have lost their minds to see Elvis.

[Autodidact]

The Bible is silent about lesbianism because it was written by, for and about men. Since lesbianism, by definition, does not include men, it is also not included in the Bible. As a side-benefit, it is also not prohibited anywhere in the Bible.

[Zzyzx]

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Does is make any difference to rational people WHAT a bunch of self-absorbed, "god" worshiping, fanatical men thought about women OR sex two thousand years ago?

If so, WHY?

[Slopeshoulder]

The passage referenced in the OP is too literal about bodies. The bible in referring to body is referring to full self, as experienced and presented in lived life. Two existent beings, two selves, two lives, two centers of action, longing, hope, suffering, etc become as one, both practically and spiritually/psychologically. I'm sure a biblical theologian could elaborate.

Genitalia are secondary and not really the point.