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Is Lucifer the Greek god Apollo?

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Many of the standard doctrines about Lucifer don't come from scripture but out of literature like Milton's Paradise Lost. People falsely interpret scripture based on the preconception generated by such works.

First off, the name Lucifer is ONLY used once in the entire Bible. The name isn't even a name but a title and is never even used until the Latin translation of the bible. The Hebrew word used is Heylel. It means 'light bringer', 'shining one'. In that only passage were Lucifer is used, it isn't talking about an angel but the prophecy is about a man. It actually calls him a man directly. It speaks of the rejoicing as his death. The decay of his body, being eaten by worms, being cast out of his grave, his spirit descending into hell then the rulers of hell say 'Is this the MAN ...? The passage is addressed to the 'king of Babylon'. Note this can be translated several ways other then 'King of Babylon'. Hebrew MLK can be king or the pagan deity known as Molech in scripture which means 'shameful king'. Babylon is actually the word 'Babel' meaning confusion. So it could be 'king of Babel', 'King of Confustion' or even 'Molech of Babel', the pagan sun god.

Sun god worship is condemned throughout the old testament is in rampant in the ancient paganism. There are numerous references that equate the ancient pagan sun god direction to Satan worship.

In Revelation, the 'king' of the bottomless pit, abyss, is directly named as Abbadon in the Hebrew meaning 'the destroyer' and Apollyon in the Greek, also meaning 'the destroyer'. Apollyon is one of the spellings of the Greek god Apollo. The devil is also 'the destroyer'.

The passage in Isa 28 about the so-called fall of Lucifer has him as 'ben Shachar', ie 'son of the Morning'. Most people don't realize that 'Shachar' was a Canaanite god that was a 'son of El'. This individual is mentioned other places in scripture. The most notable passage is Job 38 which firsts talks about the 'morning stars' singing as Yah laid the foundation of the earth. Are these the stars that Lucifer is setting his throne above? The passage goes on to say that Yah appointed the Morning/Shachar to shake the wicked out of the earth.

Job 38:12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;
13 That it (he) might take hold of the ends (skirts) of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?


The ancient Babylonian and Sumerian paganism is rampant with an angelic being, ie, a god that was a representative of heavens, that took the goddess of the Earth as his consort and produced the other gods. The Anunaki were the children of Anu and Ki (mother earth). Was Anu, Shachar that took hold of the skirts of the earth and shock the wicked one out of that union? One of the other names of Ki is Nammah, the name of Noah's wife, the mother of all. Noah was commanded to raise up his seed in the Earth, Nammah was his wife that he raised up seed within. Earth is one of her nicknames.

In the passage of Isa 28 it later goes on to talk about the 'root of the serpent', the cockatrice and the friut/child/offspring of the Cockatrice, the 'fiery serpent'. Is this 'fiery serpent' the same as the 'great red dragon' of Revelation who is the child of the cockatrice.

Even the passage in Revelation that talks about the fall of 1/3 of the stars of heaven is an event that takes place during the period of the tribulation. It is generally misused as referencing a past event of the so-called fall of an angelic being before the creation of man. Even the 'stars of heaven' are referenced numerous times in the Old Testament in conjunction with the ancient paganism of worship of the sun, moon, planets, constelations (the host of heaven).

Another point to understand is that the Hebrew word Shamayim, heavens, can be EITHER the realm of Yah or just the sky. The fall of the 'king of Babel' could just as easily be a fall from the sky, ie, the casting down of the Tower of Babel and the pagan worship that was set up there. There are also four angels bound at the Euphrates that get let loose in Revelation. Who were these four angels? Why and when were they bound there? What crime did they commit against Yah to be imprisoned? Did they have children like the 'sons of God' in Gen 6? Why were they bound at the Euphrates when the others are said to be bound in Tartarus? Were these four more angels that committed the same sin after the flood as those that did before the flood? Were these the 'Morning Stars' that Lucifer set his throne above?

The passage in Eze that is taught as a reference to Lucifer is addressed to the primary pagan deity of Tyrus. Melqart, 'king of the city', is one of the titles of Molech at the city of Tyrus. The prophecy before it is to Baal and the prophecy after it is to Ashtoreth. These are the three primary Canaanite deities, the unholy trinity. Again a passage about the ancient pagan sun of the Canaanites is used as a reference to Lucifer.

Even the Roman name of Lucifer is a reference to the goddess Diana Luciferah of Ephesus. The twin sister of the pagan sun god.

In Revelation 2, the 'seat of Satan' in the city of Pergamos is a reference to the great alter of Zeus that was located there.

Isa 57:9 also equates offering sacrifices to Molech as 'debasing thyself unto hell'.

There are literally hundreds of scriptural clues that point directly to Lucifer being a title of the ancient pagan sun god. The sun god used 'arrows of the sun' while Satan is said to send 'fiery darts'.

So where did the doctrine that Lucifer was a great angle that was cast from Yah's heaven and took 1/3 of the angels into rebellion with him come from? The answer is Milton's 'Paradise Lost', not scripture. There are many, many references in scripture that point to the ancient pagan sun god as who is being referenced as Lucifer and he is not an angle but the offspring of an angle, a Nephilim, ie seed of the serpent that was sown in the earth.

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interesting, it seems that you have done a lot of research on this subject. I personally believe that Satan goes by many names.
I believe the answer is more like apollo is lucifer, as is Amon-Ra, Baal and Hades.

Satan seems to show up in all ancient religions under various names. The stories about his origin are simply folklore and change from culture to culture. The important thing is that we are aware of his existence and must be wary of his attacks.

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BeRad wrote:
interesting, it seems that you have done a lot of research on this subject. I personally believe that Satan goes by many names.
I believe the answer is more like apollo is lucifer, as is Amon-Ra, Baal and Hades.

Satan seems to show up in all ancient religions under various names. The stories about his origin are simply folklore and change from culture to culture. The important thing is that we are aware of his existence and must be wary of his attacks.


First off, Satan isn't a name. In Hebrew Satan is the verb 'to accuse'. When used as HaSatan, it is 'the Accusing One'. Again, it is just a descriptive title, not a name.

Enoch references all 200 of the Watchers (gregori) that crossed with daughters of men as the Satans (plural).

Now Baal just means 'lord'. There were many different Baals. The actual plural form is Baalim (hebrew plural for Baal). Baal-gad, Baal-hermon, Baal-zebub, Baal-peor are just examples. They just mean 'lord of ...' as being lord of an attribute. There was also Baalah (feminine) meaning 'mistress'. That is one of the titles of Ashtoreth. The Baalim were a family of deities.

In the Groves, the trees were dedicated to the father god of the sky. The location was chosen as a representation of the abdomine of mother earth. The trees of the grove represented the pubic hair of mother earth. The Asherah poles were tree stumps carved as phallic symbols to Baal (Baal-peor, Lord of the rift/cleft/opening, ie lord of pussy) but had an image of the goddess in the shaft. The smooth stone in the valley was the female sex organ for Ashtoreth. She is the pagan rock. The pool in the valley below the grove was the vaginal opening of mother earth. It was in this valley that the children were offered as sacrifices to Molech. The grove and the valley below was the place of worship of all five of these pagan deities.

So the sequence of events is 200 angels sinned. They are all called satans. They get punished for that sin, are locked up in the deepest hell until the time of Yah's judgement. The spirits of their dead offspring are assigned as 'evil spirits' to torment mankind. This happens at the time of the flood so NO angle from before the flood is able to influence mankind. Lucifer was not one of these 200 or he would also be in prison.

Four more angels are bound at the time of the Tower of Babel. The pagan worship was set up to worship gods/goddesses and their offspring at Babel. Even Nimrod is listed as a 'mighty man'. Was he of angelic descent via his mother?

Personally I believe these four angels were assigned to guard Eden before the flood. They were assigned by Yah to rule over the spirits of the dead with one of them being who the Greeks called Hades. Of course the other three would be Zeus, Poseidon and Hera by the Greek names. They also fell into error after the flood and had children. Those children led the rebellion at Babel with Apollo and Artemis being worshiped as god and goddess of the Tower and Nimrod her son as prince or ruler of men. It was the spirit of Nimrod that was later worshiped as Baal. Hermes/Mercury was worshiped as Nebo there.

After the big four are locked up, Apollo takes over as the greatest Nephilim ever born. He dies at the tower of Babel event. Descends into hell to take rulership over all the lesser 'evil spirits'. So Apollo takes over for Hades as primary ruler over spirits of the dead. The spirit of Nimrod as the anti-christ spirit is the 'prince of the powers of the air' takes over the spiritual realm of Zeus, the realm of air. Artemis/Ashtoreth/Diana ... takes over the realm of sea from Poseidon. They become the unholy trinity. The fourth lesser member of the group takes over Hera's lesser position. She is the human mother of the gods, mother earth. They are the four primary principalities over witchcraft, via control of spirits. They are the four winds (spirits) referenced throughout scripture.

So personally I believe Satan is the title of the current ruler over spiritual forces and has changed over time as to who held that title. Who we know of as Lucifer is NOT a great fallen angel but the spirit of a dead half-breed son of an angel. He is much less impressive then he misleads people into believing. He has power yes, but he is just a ghost. It also explains why he has not been bound for his sins. Being born as a man means he stands judgement when the rest of mankind does.

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Opps, make that Isa 14, its Eze 28 that are the major chapters that people use. I stated Isa 28 in the OP.

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Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 5: Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:03 pm
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BeRad wrote:
interesting, it seems that you have done a lot of research on this subject. I personally believe that Satan goes by many names.
I believe the answer is more like apollo is lucifer, as is Amon-Ra, Baal and Hades.

Satan seems to show up in all ancient religions under various names. The stories about his origin are simply folklore and change from culture to culture. The important thing is that we are aware of his existence and must be wary of his attacks.


Actually Amun was from Yamanu who was probably Ham the progenitor of the Egyptians. Ham is associated also with Yam, the word for the sea as well as the Canaanite god of the sea. Ham means 'behold the waters' in the paleo-hebrew while Yam means 'arm of the waters'. He is also associated with the Nile. Later Rah (which means Evil in Hebrew) took the primary place of chief deity and took on Amun as part of his name. I think it was a done to justify the claim as deity replacement by claiming he is actually the former deity by assuming part of the name. Deity replacement or merging was done quite a bit in Egypt. Remember the same deity might have different names or titles in differing locations so keeping track of who is who can be difficult. For example, in places Rah is known as On as in Joseph's father-in-law was Potiferah priest of On while his name means 'he whom Rah gave'.

One of the other Egyptian deities I am sure about is Neith. The only biblical reference to her is in the name meaning of Joseph's wife Aceneith which means 'worshiper of Neith'. Neith was known as Anath in the Canaanite pantheon. She is referenced in scripture by the city names Anathoth and Bethanath (house/temple of Anath) as well as one of the judges was a son of Anath. Remember the Hebrew write right to left, opposite from the Greeks. The Hebrew didn't have vowels so it was spelled N-TH. The Greeks spelled it the opposite. She was Athene to the Greeks.

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