A school system in one state was considering banning cross dressing in school since some boys were regularly wearing dresses and make-up to school.
In our Secular Humanist society, we laud "freedom," tolerance/acceptance and "equality." So it is encumbant upon us to permit what we might well call "gay culture" to make inroads on the patriarchal-monogamous cultural system that has characterized human civilizations for the last five thousand years.
Where will it lead?
Cross-dressing in schools
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Post #2Israel blames Iran, but Iran might not be the culprit. Iran has no motive to heat up the verbal war and bring Israel bombers over it. However, Pakistan does have that motive. Pakistan is Sunni and Iran is Shiite. Pakistan does not want Iran to have nuclear bombs any more than does Isreal. Also, Isreal did not deny she asassinated three Iranian nuclear scientists (and, hence, is a "terrorist-nation") while Iran clearly denied she did the bombing in India.
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An obvious solution to this "problem" is to require unisex uniforms and large/total makeup restrictions. Everybody's equal, and conservatives are sated.
An arguably better solution is to be accept cross-dressing as long as it would look perfectly acceptable on the other gender, but there are few places on Earth where that might actually succeed.
An arguably better solution is to be accept cross-dressing as long as it would look perfectly acceptable on the other gender, but there are few places on Earth where that might actually succeed.
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I see no "problem" in allowing students to cross-dress while in schools. How, exactly, does it affect anyone? It simply allows students to express who they are as individuals; I see that as a very good thing, rather than a "problem" to be "solved."
As for the "change in society" . . . change is the only constant. It is inevitable. Best to go with it then spend one's life fighting it.
As for the "change in society" . . . change is the only constant. It is inevitable. Best to go with it then spend one's life fighting it.
Re: Cross-dressing in schools
Post #5schools are given some leeway to ensure that students aren't disrupting others. Students are allowed to make political statements with their clothing but are still limited in some respects (E.G., they can wear armbands protesting the Vietnam war but can't wear a shirt saying "bong hits for jesus". It comes down to whether it is "disruptive" or "offensive" which is a complicated to determine.brough wrote:A school system in one state was considering banning cross dressing in school since some boys were regularly wearing dresses and make-up to school.
In our Secular Humanist society, we laud "freedom," tolerance/acceptance and "equality." So it is encumbant upon us to permit what we might well call "gay culture" to make inroads on the patriarchal-monogamous cultural system that has characterized human civilizations for the last five thousand years.
Where will it lead?
IMO, who cares if boys where girls clothing or vice versa.
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[quote="AkiThePirateAn arguably better solution is to be accept cross-dressing as long as it would look perfectly acceptable on the other gender, but there are few places on Earth where that might actually succeed.[/quote]
Perhaps there is a very good reason why it would NOT succeed most any place on Earth. Have you ever wondered what?
Perhaps there is a very good reason why it would NOT succeed most any place on Earth. Have you ever wondered what?
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That is concensus Secular Humanist doctrine, I know, but is our society and civilization so healthy and so effectively solving the world's many growing problems that it can solve them better by changing the five thousand year pariarchal-monogamous nature of civilization itself?AkiThePirate wrote:An obvious solution to this "problem" is to require unisex uniforms and large/total makeup restrictions. Everybody's equal, and conservatives are sated.
An arguably better solution is to be accept cross-dressing as long as it would look perfectly acceptable on the other gender, but there are few places on Earth where that might actually succeed.
When gayness is "accepted" and "equal," much of the large population percentage that is bisexual switches over from the diminishing prestige and status of the patriarchal system and take up homosexul liasons. This is a slow process of breaking down the patriarchal monogamous system. What soon develops in its place is a sort of Babylonian system as described in the Old Testament. In my reseach on civilizations, I found this change preceeded the fall of every past civilization.
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Which problems are growing?brough wrote: Is our society and civilization so healthy and so effectively solving the world's many growing problems that it can solve them better by changing the five thousand year [strike]pariarchal[/strike]-patriarchal monogamous nature of civilization itself?
Are you predicting the fall of the Western Enlightenment civilizations? Is your research backed up by anyone other than armchair historians pushing some half-baked populist theories?brough wrote: When gayness is "accepted" and "equal," much of the large population percentage that is bisexual switches over from the diminishing prestige and status of the patriarchal system and take up [strike]homosexul liasons[/strike] homosexual liaisons. This is a slow process of breaking down the patriarchal monogamous system. What soon develops in its place is a sort of Babylonian system as described in the Old Testament. In my [strike]reseach [/strike]research on civilizations, I found this change [strike]preceeded [/strike]preceded the fall of every past civilization.
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Re: Cross-dressing in schools
Post #9Since the company I work for has some contracts with New York State and we sometimes have NYS employees temporarily resident here, we are theoretically bound by some of the State polices. In particular, we are supposed to let people use the rest room of the gender they identify with regardless of physical attributes.brough wrote:A school system in one state was considering banning cross dressing in school since some boys were regularly wearing dresses and make-up to school.
In our Secular Humanist society, we laud "freedom," tolerance/acceptance and "equality." So it is encumbant upon us to permit what we might well call "gay culture" to make inroads on the patriarchal-monogamous cultural system that has characterized human civilizations for the last five thousand years.
Where will it lead?
As far as I know, there have been no takers so far.
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Re: Cross-dressing in schools
Post #10Custom is often a far far bigger influence that law.ThatGirlAgain wrote:Since the company I work for has some contracts with New York State and we sometimes have NYS employees temporarily resident here, we are theoretically bound by some of the State polices. In particular, we are supposed to let people use the rest room of the gender they identify with regardless of physical attributes.brough wrote:A school system in one state was considering banning cross dressing in school since some boys were regularly wearing dresses and make-up to school.
In our Secular Humanist society, we laud "freedom," tolerance/acceptance and "equality." So it is encumbant upon us to permit what we might well call "gay culture" to make inroads on the patriarchal-monogamous cultural system that has characterized human civilizations for the last five thousand years.
Where will it lead?
As far as I know, there have been no takers so far.
For example, the whole 'women must cover their tops in public' laws were deemed unconstitutional according to state law. That means, theoretically, that anyplace than men can legally go topless at , women can too, including all public beaches.
However, custom is stronger than law, and no one takes advantage of that.
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