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Today science reveals many miracles that no one knew 14 centuries ago. Implications stated in Quran when people thought the earth had the shape of a tray prove that it was written by god. There are many evidence enough to write a book but I am giving you a few.

1. The Two Seas That Don't Merge

A French oceanographer, J. Cousteau noticed that the Mediterranean Sea and the Atlantic Ocean did not merge in the strait of Gibraltar. An incredible barrier prevented the two seas from coming together as stated in Quran.
"He has let free the two seas meeting together. Between them there is a barrier which they do not transgress."

(55-Gracious, 19-20)
This is because of a physical characteristic called “surface tension.� Thus, neighboring seas present different densities, salinity rates and compositions. Water, that usually mixes easily, can turn into a wall and it is not affected by strong waves and currents.
"He is the One who has set free the two seas; one is sweet and palatable, and the other is salty and bitter. And He made a barrier between them, a partition that is forbidden to be passed."
(25-The Distinquisher, 53)
2. Orbits of Astronomical Objects

In 17th century Galileo Galilei discovered that planets orbited sun.
"It is He who created the night and the day, and the sun, and the moon; each of them floating in an orbit."

(21-The Prophets, 33)

"By the Sky with its ingeniously devised paths (orbits)."
(51-The Dispersing, 7)
3. Landing on the Moon and its Date
"And the Moon when it is full. You will surely ride from stage to stage. So, why do they not believe?"
(84-The Splitting, 18-20)

"The Hour has come closer and the moon has split."
(54-The Moon, 1)
The number of verses to be counted from this verse to the end of the Quran is 1389. The year 1389 in the Muslim calendar corresponds to the year 1969 in the Gregorian calendar, and the year 1969 was the year when man set foot on the moon for the first time.

4. The Land-Sea Ratio

Word --- Number of occurrence in Quran ---- The Ratio
Sea --------------------- 32 --------------------- 32/45=71.111
Land -------------------- 13 --------------------- 13/45=28.888

The ratio of seas to earth: %71
The ratio of lands to earth: %29

5. Geoidal Form of Earth

Quran explains that the shape of earth is not like a tray or a sphere but geoidal by resembling it to an ostrich's egg. The word “dahw� in the verse below means rotundity like that of the ostrich’s egg.
"He made the earth egg-shaped."

(79-The Snatchers, 30)
6. Only Female Bees Work

In recent decades, it was understood that only female bees build hives, collect nectar and make honey.
"And your Lord revealed the female honeybee; build homes in mountains, and trees, and in the hives people built for you. Then, eat of all fruits, and follow the ways of your Lord made easy (for you). There comes forth from their bellies, a drink of varying colour wherein is healing for men. Verily, in this is indeed a sign for people who think."

(16-The Honeybee, 68-69)
7. Pulsars

Pulsars are highly magnetized, rotating neutron stars that emit a beam of electromagnetic radiation. The radiation can only be observed when the beam of emission is pointing towards the Earth. This is called the lighthouse effect and gives rise to the pulsed nature that gives pulsars their name. The first pulsar was observed on November 28, 1967 (from wikipedia)
"By the heavens and The Knocker. How will you comprehend what the The Knocker is? It’s a piercing star."
(86-The Knocker, 1-3)
8. Unique Fingertips

In 1856, Genn Ginsen found out that the pattern of lines at the tip of a person’s finger was something unique to the individual. Until 1856, men knew nothing about this characteristic of fingertips.
"Does the human being think that We cannot assemble his bones? Surely, We are able to reconstruct even his fingertips."

(75-The Resurrection, 3-4)
9. Big Bang, Gaseous Stage and Expansion of Universe

The Big Bang was the event which led to the formation of the universe, according to the prevailing cosmological theory of the universe's early development (known as the Big Bang theory or Big Bang model). According to the Big Bang model, the universe, originally in an extremely hot and dense state that expanded rapidly, has since cooled by expanding to the present diluted state, and continues to expand today. Over a long period of time, the slightly denser regions of the nearly uniformly distributed matter gravitationally attracted nearby matter and thus grew even denser, forming gas clouds, stars, galaxies, and the other astronomical structures observable today. (from wikipedia)
"Do not these disbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were an integrated mass, which We then split, and from water We made all living things? Will they not believe even then?"

(21-The Prophets, 30)

"Then He turned to the heavens, and it was in a gaseous state. And said to it, and the earth; “Come into existence, willingly or unwillingly.� They said, “We come willingly.� "

(41-Elucidated, 11)

"With power did We construct firmament. Verily, We are expanding it."

(51-The Dispersing, 47)
10. The Atom and its Particles
"Not even an atom’s weight in the heavens and the earth, or something smaller or greater than it is hidden from Him, but all are in a clear record."

(34-Sheba, 3)

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Re: Where your [ Evidence ] at ? That the above is wrong ?

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Autodidact wrote:
Malachi-Zede-El wrote:
Autodidact wrote:Is this whole thread just one unsupported assertion after another? Evidence, people, evidence?
Where your [ Evidence ] at ? That the above is wrong ? :-k
My evidence for what? You purported to give us an entire history lesson without a shred of historical support. Do you have any? *hint* The Bible isn't a history book.

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Malachi-Zede-El wrote:
Autodidact wrote:
Malachi-Zede-El wrote:
Autodidact wrote:Is this whole thread just one unsupported assertion after another? Evidence, people, evidence?
Where your [ Evidence ] at ? That the above is wrong ? :-k
My evidence for what? You purported to give us an entire history lesson without a shred of historical support. Do you have any? *hint* The Bible isn't a history book.

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Yes, one of those. Someone who expects you to debate with facts and logic. Of course, that is the purpose of this forum...

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Autodidact wrote:
Malachi-Zede-El wrote:
Autodidact wrote:
Malachi-Zede-El wrote:
Autodidact wrote:Is this whole thread just one unsupported assertion after another? Evidence, people, evidence?
Where your [ Evidence ] at ? That the above is wrong ? :-k
My evidence for what? You purported to give us an entire history lesson without a shred of historical support. Do you have any? *hint* The Bible isn't a history book.

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Malachi-Zede-El wrote:
Autodidact wrote:
The four canonical gospels are ANONYMOUS writtten up to NINETY years after the disappearance of Jesus Christ.
You mean the death of Jesus. The Gospels were written by eyewitnesses or those who interviewed eyewitnesses. The Koran was also written down after the prophet's death.
Where on earth did you get this bizarre idea? Do you have a shred of support for it?
Provide a single conclusive text or evidence of any sort to prove "The Gospel according to 'so&so'" was ACTUALLY written by a disciple of Jesus.
The author of the Gospel of John is the apostle John, "the disciple whom Jesus loved".
Really? What makes you think that? The experts certainly don't.



The History Of John ( 2 - 99 A.D. ) ~ John , one if the first disciples of The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus was the son of Zebedee and the author of the fourth Gospel , called the Gospel of John . He had great spiritual insight and was referred to as the the disciple and an apostle whomm The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ( Pbuh ) loved . The name John ( Yuwhanna ) , come from the Arabic , root word '' Hanna '' which means '' To Long For '' .

John son of Zebedee , was to receive the book about the '' Long Awaited '' Messiah , Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ..John son of Zebedee ( Zabadiy ) was a Fisherman in the town of Bethsaida on the north shore of the sea of Galilee . Thus , he spoke the Palestinian , Galilean , and Aramic ; form of Arabic not Greek or Latin . John mother was Salome , Saluwma -arabic ) who was given in marriage to Zebedee by her father Joseph , Yuwsuf - arabic ( 90 B.C. - 29 A.D. ) This Joseph was the husband of Mary ( 6 B.C. - 90 A.D. ) The mother of Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ( Pbuh ) and the adopted father of The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ( Pbuh ) Prior to marrying Mary .

Joseph was married to a woman name Halsa ( 35 B.C. - 28 A.D. ) Halsa bore him seven children Four Sons and Three Dauthers . These are their names . 1 . James ( Ya'quwb - arabic 22 B.C. - 62 A.D. ) 2 . Simeon ( Sim'aan -arabic 17 B.C. - 46 A.D. ) , 3 . Jude ( Yahuwdaa - arabic 14 B.C. - 64 A.D. ) , 4 . Joses ( Yuwsiy - arabic 19 B.C. - 57 A.D. ) , 5 . Martha ( Martaa - arabic 13 - B.C. 39 A.D. ) , 6 . Esther ( Istiyr - arabic 15 - B.C. - 50 A.D. ) , 7 . Salome ( Saaluwma - arabic 16 B.C. - 50 A.D. ) .

Joses also called '' Barnabas '' was a faithful and devout disciple to The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ( Pbuh ) . He was also his half brother . He recorded The Book of Barnabas in the year 54 A.D. ( Acts 4 ; 35 , Matthew 13 ; 55 ) Beside John , Zebedee and Salome bore another son whose name was James ( Ya'quwb - arabic ) , James ( 2 B.C. - 46 A.D. ) also became a disciple of The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ( Pbuh ) . They like their father , grew up to be fishermen by trade on the Sea of Galilee . John , son of Zebedee was a nephew of The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ( Pbuh ) , through his mother Salome . Salome was The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ( Pbuh ) . Half sister ( Mark 15 ; 40 ) .


John son of Zebedee ( Zabadiy ) was a Fisherman in the town of Bethsaida on the north shore of the sea of Galilee . Thus , he spoke the Palestinian , Galilean , and Aramic ; form of Arabic not Greek or Latin . John mother was Salome , Saluwma -arabic ) who was given in marriage to Zebedee by her father Joseph , Yuwsuf - arabic ( 90 B.C. - 29 A.D. ) This Joseph was the husband of Mary ( 6 B.C. - 90 A.D. ) The mother of Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ( Pbuh ) and the adopted father of The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ( Pbuh ) Prior to marrying Mary .

Joseph was married to a woman name Halsa ( 35 B.C. - 28 A.D. ) Halsa bore him seven children Four Sons and Three Dauthers . These are their names . 1 . James ( Ya'quwb - arabic 22 B.C. - 62 A.D. ) 2 . Simeon ( Sim'aan -arabic 17 B.C. - 46 A.D. ) , 3 . Jude ( Yahuwdaa - arabic 14 B.C. - 64 A.D. ) , 4 . Joses ( Yuwsiy - arabic 19 B.C. - 57 A.D. ) , 5 . Martha ( Martaa - arabic 13 - B.C. 39 A.D. ) , 6 . Esther ( Istiyr - arabic 15 - B.C. - 50 A.D. ) , 7 . Salome ( Saaluwma - arabic 16 B.C. - 50 A.D. ) .


Joses also called '' Barnabas '' was a faithful and devout disciple to The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus . He was also his half brother . He recorded The Book of Barnabas in the year 54 A.D. ( Acts 4 ; 35 , Matthew 13 ; 55 ) Beside John , Zebedee and Salome bore another son whose name was James ( Ya'quwb - arabic ) , James ( 2 B.C. - 46 A.D. ) also became a disciple of The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ( Pbuh ) . They like their father , grew up to be fishermen by trade on the Sea of Galilee . John , son of Zebedee was a nephew of The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ( , through his mother Salome . Salome was The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus . Half sister ( Mark 15 ; 40 ) .

Prior to becoming disciple of The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus , James and John were following of Yahya ( John the Baptist , 6 - 36 A.D. who was their cousin . They were also amongst the first whom The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus , united to follow him . Although it was not until later that they were called to permanent discipleship .


John was very close to The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus .This can he seen by his title '' The Disciple whom The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus , Loved '' ( John 19 ; 26 , 21 ; 2 - 7 , 20 ; 2 , 21 ; 20 ) and by his positioning at the table darling the last supper next to The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus , ( John 13 ; 23 - 25 ) . He was also entrusted with the care of Mary ( The Mother of The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus . John , along with his brother James ( 22 B.C. - 62 A.D. ) . was also present at the transfigration of The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus , on the Mount of Olives ..


John lived until the age of 97 died a natural death . John and his brother James were called '' The Sons of Thunder '' because of the way they propagated the doctrine of The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ( , Below are several references to both James and John ( sons of Salome and Zebedee ) . They both played a very importans role in the propagation of The Teaching of The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus , Refer To ; Matthew 4 ; 21 , 10 ; 2 - 3 ; 13 ; 55 , 17 ; 1 , Mark 1 ; 19 - 29 ; 3 ; 17 ; 5 ; 37 , 6 ; 3 , 9 ; 2 ; 10 ; 35 ; 10 ; 41 ; 13 ; 3 ; 14 ; 33 ; 15 ; 40 ; 16 ; 1 , Luke 5 ; 10 ; 8 ; 51 ; 9 ; 28, 54 ; 24 ; 10 .


Just a little history for-ya
That is the claim..Now, can you provide evidence for it? Probably in a different subforum, since this should be about Islam
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Malachi-Zede-El wrote:
Autodidact wrote:
Malachi-Zede-El wrote:
Autodidact wrote:
Malachi-Zede-El wrote:
Autodidact wrote:Is this whole thread just one unsupported assertion after another? Evidence, people, evidence?
Where your [ Evidence ] at ? That the above is wrong ? :-k
My evidence for what? You purported to give us an entire history lesson without a shred of historical support. Do you have any? *hint* The Bible isn't a history book.

Never waste time with an (Edited out for profanity)


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Goat wrote:
Malachi-Zede-El wrote:
Autodidact wrote:
The four canonical gospels are ANONYMOUS writtten up to NINETY years after the disappearance of Jesus Christ.
You mean the death of Jesus. The Gospels were written by eyewitnesses or those who interviewed eyewitnesses. The Koran was also written down after the prophet's death.
Where on earth did you get this bizarre idea? Do you have a shred of support for it?
Provide a single conclusive text or evidence of any sort to prove "The Gospel according to 'so&so'" was ACTUALLY written by a disciple of Jesus.
The author of the Gospel of John is the apostle John, "the disciple whom Jesus loved".
Really? What makes you think that? The experts certainly don't.



The History Of John ( 2 - 99 A.D. ) ~ John , one if the first disciples of The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus was the son of Zebedee and the author of the fourth Gospel , called the Gospel of John . He had great spiritual insight and was referred to as the the disciple and an apostle whomm The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ( Pbuh ) loved . The name John ( Yuwhanna ) , come from the Arabic , root word '' Hanna '' which means '' To Long For '' .

John son of Zebedee , was to receive the book about the '' Long Awaited '' Messiah , Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ..John son of Zebedee ( Zabadiy ) was a Fisherman in the town of Bethsaida on the north shore of the sea of Galilee . Thus , he spoke the Palestinian , Galilean , and Aramic ; form of Arabic not Greek or Latin . John mother was Salome , Saluwma -arabic ) who was given in marriage to Zebedee by her father Joseph , Yuwsuf - arabic ( 90 B.C. - 29 A.D. ) This Joseph was the husband of Mary ( 6 B.C. - 90 A.D. ) The mother of Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ( Pbuh ) and the adopted father of The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ( Pbuh ) Prior to marrying Mary .

Joseph was married to a woman name Halsa ( 35 B.C. - 28 A.D. ) Halsa bore him seven children Four Sons and Three Dauthers . These are their names . 1 . James ( Ya'quwb - arabic 22 B.C. - 62 A.D. ) 2 . Simeon ( Sim'aan -arabic 17 B.C. - 46 A.D. ) , 3 . Jude ( Yahuwdaa - arabic 14 B.C. - 64 A.D. ) , 4 . Joses ( Yuwsiy - arabic 19 B.C. - 57 A.D. ) , 5 . Martha ( Martaa - arabic 13 - B.C. 39 A.D. ) , 6 . Esther ( Istiyr - arabic 15 - B.C. - 50 A.D. ) , 7 . Salome ( Saaluwma - arabic 16 B.C. - 50 A.D. ) .

Joses also called '' Barnabas '' was a faithful and devout disciple to The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ( Pbuh ) . He was also his half brother . He recorded The Book of Barnabas in the year 54 A.D. ( Acts 4 ; 35 , Matthew 13 ; 55 ) Beside John , Zebedee and Salome bore another son whose name was James ( Ya'quwb - arabic ) , James ( 2 B.C. - 46 A.D. ) also became a disciple of The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ( Pbuh ) . They like their father , grew up to be fishermen by trade on the Sea of Galilee . John , son of Zebedee was a nephew of The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ( Pbuh ) , through his mother Salome . Salome was The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ( Pbuh ) . Half sister ( Mark 15 ; 40 ) .


John son of Zebedee ( Zabadiy ) was a Fisherman in the town of Bethsaida on the north shore of the sea of Galilee . Thus , he spoke the Palestinian , Galilean , and Aramic ; form of Arabic not Greek or Latin . John mother was Salome , Saluwma -arabic ) who was given in marriage to Zebedee by her father Joseph , Yuwsuf - arabic ( 90 B.C. - 29 A.D. ) This Joseph was the husband of Mary ( 6 B.C. - 90 A.D. ) The mother of Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ( Pbuh ) and the adopted father of The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ( Pbuh ) Prior to marrying Mary .

Joseph was married to a woman name Halsa ( 35 B.C. - 28 A.D. ) Halsa bore him seven children Four Sons and Three Dauthers . These are their names . 1 . James ( Ya'quwb - arabic 22 B.C. - 62 A.D. ) 2 . Simeon ( Sim'aan -arabic 17 B.C. - 46 A.D. ) , 3 . Jude ( Yahuwdaa - arabic 14 B.C. - 64 A.D. ) , 4 . Joses ( Yuwsiy - arabic 19 B.C. - 57 A.D. ) , 5 . Martha ( Martaa - arabic 13 - B.C. 39 A.D. ) , 6 . Esther ( Istiyr - arabic 15 - B.C. - 50 A.D. ) , 7 . Salome ( Saaluwma - arabic 16 B.C. - 50 A.D. ) .


Joses also called '' Barnabas '' was a faithful and devout disciple to The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus . He was also his half brother . He recorded The Book of Barnabas in the year 54 A.D. ( Acts 4 ; 35 , Matthew 13 ; 55 ) Beside John , Zebedee and Salome bore another son whose name was James ( Ya'quwb - arabic ) , James ( 2 B.C. - 46 A.D. ) also became a disciple of The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ( Pbuh ) . They like their father , grew up to be fishermen by trade on the Sea of Galilee . John , son of Zebedee was a nephew of The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ( , through his mother Salome . Salome was The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus . Half sister ( Mark 15 ; 40 ) .

Prior to becoming disciple of The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus , James and John were following of Yahya ( John the Baptist , 6 - 36 A.D. who was their cousin . They were also amongst the first whom The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus , united to follow him . Although it was not until later that they were called to permanent discipleship .


John was very close to The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus .This can he seen by his title '' The Disciple whom The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus , Loved '' ( John 19 ; 26 , 21 ; 2 - 7 , 20 ; 2 , 21 ; 20 ) and by his positioning at the table darling the last supper next to The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus , ( John 13 ; 23 - 25 ) . He was also entrusted with the care of Mary ( The Mother of The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus . John , along with his brother James ( 22 B.C. - 62 A.D. ) . was also present at the transfigration of The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus , on the Mount of Olives ..


John lived until the age of 97 died a natural death . John and his brother James were called '' The Sons of Thunder '' because of the way they propagated the doctrine of The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ( , Below are several references to both James and John ( sons of Salome and Zebedee ) . They both played a very importans role in the propagation of The Teaching of The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus , Refer To ; Matthew 4 ; 21 , 10 ; 2 - 3 ; 13 ; 55 , 17 ; 1 , Mark 1 ; 19 - 29 ; 3 ; 17 ; 5 ; 37 , 6 ; 3 , 9 ; 2 ; 10 ; 35 ; 10 ; 41 ; 13 ; 3 ; 14 ; 33 ; 15 ; 40 ; 16 ; 1 , Luke 5 ; 10 ; 8 ; 51 ; 9 ; 28, 54 ; 24 ; 10 .


Just a little history for-ya
That is the claim..Now, can you provide evidence for it? Probably in a different subforum, since this should be about Islam

What part of of this post would you like for me to explain ? For the record I don't see any diffrent between Islam & Christianity . Other then what the media have them thinking about other along with their Teacher , Minister , Eman etc . If Muslims & Christian would read each other scriptures they would see for themselves their really no diffrent . Sorry for the curse word . I have read some of that person posts he / she also have a smart mouth also .

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Malachi-Zede-El wrote:
Goat wrote:
Malachi-Zede-El wrote:
Autodidact wrote:
The four canonical gospels are ANONYMOUS writtten up to NINETY years after the disappearance of Jesus Christ.
You mean the death of Jesus. The Gospels were written by eyewitnesses or those who interviewed eyewitnesses. The Koran was also written down after the prophet's death.
Where on earth did you get this bizarre idea? Do you have a shred of support for it?
Provide a single conclusive text or evidence of any sort to prove "The Gospel according to 'so&so'" was ACTUALLY written by a disciple of Jesus.
The author of the Gospel of John is the apostle John, "the disciple whom Jesus loved".
Really? What makes you think that? The experts certainly don't.



The History Of John ( 2 - 99 A.D. ) ~ John , one if the first disciples of The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus was the son of Zebedee and the author of the fourth Gospel , called the Gospel of John . He had great spiritual insight and was referred to as the the disciple and an apostle whomm The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ( Pbuh ) loved . The name John ( Yuwhanna ) , come from the Arabic , root word '' Hanna '' which means '' To Long For '' .

John son of Zebedee , was to receive the book about the '' Long Awaited '' Messiah , Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ..John son of Zebedee ( Zabadiy ) was a Fisherman in the town of Bethsaida on the north shore of the sea of Galilee . Thus , he spoke the Palestinian , Galilean , and Aramic ; form of Arabic not Greek or Latin . John mother was Salome , Saluwma -arabic ) who was given in marriage to Zebedee by her father Joseph , Yuwsuf - arabic ( 90 B.C. - 29 A.D. ) This Joseph was the husband of Mary ( 6 B.C. - 90 A.D. ) The mother of Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ( Pbuh ) and the adopted father of The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ( Pbuh ) Prior to marrying Mary .

Joseph was married to a woman name Halsa ( 35 B.C. - 28 A.D. ) Halsa bore him seven children Four Sons and Three Dauthers . These are their names . 1 . James ( Ya'quwb - arabic 22 B.C. - 62 A.D. ) 2 . Simeon ( Sim'aan -arabic 17 B.C. - 46 A.D. ) , 3 . Jude ( Yahuwdaa - arabic 14 B.C. - 64 A.D. ) , 4 . Joses ( Yuwsiy - arabic 19 B.C. - 57 A.D. ) , 5 . Martha ( Martaa - arabic 13 - B.C. 39 A.D. ) , 6 . Esther ( Istiyr - arabic 15 - B.C. - 50 A.D. ) , 7 . Salome ( Saaluwma - arabic 16 B.C. - 50 A.D. ) .

Joses also called '' Barnabas '' was a faithful and devout disciple to The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ( Pbuh ) . He was also his half brother . He recorded The Book of Barnabas in the year 54 A.D. ( Acts 4 ; 35 , Matthew 13 ; 55 ) Beside John , Zebedee and Salome bore another son whose name was James ( Ya'quwb - arabic ) , James ( 2 B.C. - 46 A.D. ) also became a disciple of The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ( Pbuh ) . They like their father , grew up to be fishermen by trade on the Sea of Galilee . John , son of Zebedee was a nephew of The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ( Pbuh ) , through his mother Salome . Salome was The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ( Pbuh ) . Half sister ( Mark 15 ; 40 ) .


John son of Zebedee ( Zabadiy ) was a Fisherman in the town of Bethsaida on the north shore of the sea of Galilee . Thus , he spoke the Palestinian , Galilean , and Aramic ; form of Arabic not Greek or Latin . John mother was Salome , Saluwma -arabic ) who was given in marriage to Zebedee by her father Joseph , Yuwsuf - arabic ( 90 B.C. - 29 A.D. ) This Joseph was the husband of Mary ( 6 B.C. - 90 A.D. ) The mother of Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ( Pbuh ) and the adopted father of The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ( Pbuh ) Prior to marrying Mary .

Joseph was married to a woman name Halsa ( 35 B.C. - 28 A.D. ) Halsa bore him seven children Four Sons and Three Dauthers . These are their names . 1 . James ( Ya'quwb - arabic 22 B.C. - 62 A.D. ) 2 . Simeon ( Sim'aan -arabic 17 B.C. - 46 A.D. ) , 3 . Jude ( Yahuwdaa - arabic 14 B.C. - 64 A.D. ) , 4 . Joses ( Yuwsiy - arabic 19 B.C. - 57 A.D. ) , 5 . Martha ( Martaa - arabic 13 - B.C. 39 A.D. ) , 6 . Esther ( Istiyr - arabic 15 - B.C. - 50 A.D. ) , 7 . Salome ( Saaluwma - arabic 16 B.C. - 50 A.D. ) .


Joses also called '' Barnabas '' was a faithful and devout disciple to The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus . He was also his half brother . He recorded The Book of Barnabas in the year 54 A.D. ( Acts 4 ; 35 , Matthew 13 ; 55 ) Beside John , Zebedee and Salome bore another son whose name was James ( Ya'quwb - arabic ) , James ( 2 B.C. - 46 A.D. ) also became a disciple of The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ( Pbuh ) . They like their father , grew up to be fishermen by trade on the Sea of Galilee . John , son of Zebedee was a nephew of The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ( , through his mother Salome . Salome was The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus . Half sister ( Mark 15 ; 40 ) .

Prior to becoming disciple of The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus , James and John were following of Yahya ( John the Baptist , 6 - 36 A.D. who was their cousin . They were also amongst the first whom The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus , united to follow him . Although it was not until later that they were called to permanent discipleship .


John was very close to The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus .This can he seen by his title '' The Disciple whom The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus , Loved '' ( John 19 ; 26 , 21 ; 2 - 7 , 20 ; 2 , 21 ; 20 ) and by his positioning at the table darling the last supper next to The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus , ( John 13 ; 23 - 25 ) . He was also entrusted with the care of Mary ( The Mother of The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus . John , along with his brother James ( 22 B.C. - 62 A.D. ) . was also present at the transfigration of The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus , on the Mount of Olives ..


John lived until the age of 97 died a natural death . John and his brother James were called '' The Sons of Thunder '' because of the way they propagated the doctrine of The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ( , Below are several references to both James and John ( sons of Salome and Zebedee ) . They both played a very importans role in the propagation of The Teaching of The Messiah Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus , Refer To ; Matthew 4 ; 21 , 10 ; 2 - 3 ; 13 ; 55 , 17 ; 1 , Mark 1 ; 19 - 29 ; 3 ; 17 ; 5 ; 37 , 6 ; 3 , 9 ; 2 ; 10 ; 35 ; 10 ; 41 ; 13 ; 3 ; 14 ; 33 ; 15 ; 40 ; 16 ; 1 , Luke 5 ; 10 ; 8 ; 51 ; 9 ; 28, 54 ; 24 ; 10 .


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That is the claim..Now, can you provide evidence for it? Probably in a different subforum, since this should be about Islam

What part of of this post would you like for me to explain ? For the record I don't see any diffrent between Islam & Christianity . Other then what the media have them thinking about other along with their Teacher , Minister , Eman etc . If Muslims & Christian would read each other scriptures they would see for themselves their really no diffrent . Sorry for the curse word . I have read some of that person posts he / she also have a smart mouth also .
Not EXPLAIN, SUPPORT. Do you have any evidence to support your claims?

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Just a little history for-ya
That is the claim..Now, can you provide evidence for it? Probably in a different subforum, since this should be about Islam

What part of of this post would you like for me to explain ? For the record I don't see any diffrent between Islam & Christianity . Other then what the media have them thinking about other along with their Teacher , Minister , Eman etc . If Muslims & Christian would read each other scriptures they would see for themselves their really no diffrent . Sorry for the curse word . I have read some of that person posts he / she also have a smart mouth also .


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