Guns Guns Guns

[Beto]

So where does everyone stand on the "right to bear arms" issue? I'd like to hear the pros and cons. I'm kinda divided right now, between the ideal and the realistic positions.

[Armed Citizen]

Own all ya want, or don't.

We already have state regs on stuff and we have class 3 and tax stamps bein what they are. We need to have state laws on CCW to be uniform tho. We dun need no moron from MA bein able to carry when UT says he can't. That is one problem I see.

Also, assault weapons is just a name designed to scare people. I own several of these guns and they aint all that scary.

Most gun issues are spawned by fear and ignorance. If ya don’t wanna own then don’t but that dun give no right to come after mine. Now does it?

I hunt, I target shoot, I compete, I carry. I ain't killed no one at the mall, auto dealership, my kids school or at a church. Nor am I gonna. If ya strip all us of guns. The criminals will still be able to get em. Havin gun stores doesn't put guns on the blackmarket despite what some antigun loonies will tell ya.









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[Dantalion]

Own all ya want, or don't.

We already have state regs on stuff and we have class 3 and tax stamps bein what they are. We need to have state laws on CCW to be uniform tho. We dun need no moron from MA bein able to carry when UT says he can't. That is one problem I see.

Also, assault weapons is just a name designed to scare people. I own several of these guns and they aint all that scary.

Most gun issues are spawned by fear and ignorance. If ya don’t wanna own then don’t but that dun give no right to come after mine. Now does it?

I hunt, I target shoot, I compete, I carry. I ain't killed no one at the mall, auto dealership, my kids school or at a church. Nor am I gonna. If ya strip all us of guns. The criminals will still be able to get em. Havin gun stores doesn't put guns on the blackmarket despite what some antigun loonies will tell ya.









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Would it be possible for your kids to sneak a gun out of your home to school?

[Armed Citizen]

Would it be possible for your kids to sneak a gun out of your home to school?

Sorry, I kinda forgot about this here post.

So, as to ur question.
No, it is not possible. My guns are inside one of two liberty safes. I gots one in my office, this only I gots the combo too. This is where I keep my safe queens, rifles (military and hunting grade) and a couple shotgun.
The other be kept in the master bedroom. It contains our defense guns, our CCW guns, and our defense shotguns. This one my wife and I know the access too.

The only weapons that are "unsecure" are some flintlock/ blackpowder weapons, which there ain't no access to the fixins for loading these. I also have some working and non working replicas of old colt navy six shooters. Again no way ta load these. The ones that ain't blackpowder (the ones that take cartridged bullets) are just non-working replicas.

Now I ain't completely naive and unwillin ta accept the fact that unforeseen can catch ya off guard. But I would say the possibility of something going wrong on this specific issue is slim ta none.



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[Dantalion]

Would it be possible for your kids to sneak a gun out of your home to school?

Sorry, I kinda forgot about this here post.

So, as to ur question.
No, it is not possible. My guns are inside one of two liberty safes. I gots one in my office, this only I gots the combo too. This is where I keep my safe queens, rifles (military and hunting grade) and a couple shotgun.
The other be kept in the master bedroom. It contains our defense guns, our CCW guns, and our defense shotguns. This one my wife and I know the access too.

The only weapons that are "unsecure" are some flintlock/ blackpowder weapons, which there ain't no access to the fixins for loading these. I also have some working and non working replicas of old colt navy six shooters. Again no way ta load these. The ones that ain't blackpowder (the ones that take cartridged bullets) are just non-working replicas.

Now I ain't completely naive and unwillin ta accept the fact that unforeseen can catch ya off guard. But I would say the possibility of something going wrong on this specific issue is slim ta none.



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Thanks for that reply.
Probably something that we all agree on, pro or anti guns, don't keep them lying about in places your kids can just casually stroll in and take the guns to their schools. That this happens SO much is a huge 'wtf' for me.

[Armed Citizen]

I whole heartedly agree, its like most things. One dumb person be ruinin it fer all the responsible ones. An fer the worse part, it ain;t like we cant chew gum on the school bus cause some one put theres on a seat, we are havin our gun rights threatened an a lot a people had ta die fer this debate ta happen.



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[Strider324]

This is what cracks me up:

Gun advocates wax poetically about how they need guns to protect their family from home invasion. Cool.

Then they are reminded that a significant number of gun deaths are accidently shootings of family members because the guns weren't secured.

Then they jump up and say "Nah, my guns are all fully secured in locked safes!"

So - when the evil gubmint or the random guy that for some bizarre reason wants to break into their home and kill them and their family do show up....everyone knows it will be at 3AM when Mr. Fearful is sound asleep. It will take the agents or the killer about 5 seconds to get to his room and start blasting.

So in all reality, Mr Fearful will still be stumbling around in his closet frantically trying to remember the safe combination.....execute the safe combination....open the safe or even just the triggerguard.....bring the weapon to bear....and fire without killing his wife, who is stumbling around behind him wondering what the men in kevlar are doing in her home.

But of course, he can do all of this in much less than 5 seconds.....for the NRA tells him so.


My point is - either these people are incredibly naive, or they're lying about having their guns 'secured' in any meaningful way.

[Dantalion]

I think it has got something to do with the prevalent lone ranger fantasy.
I mean, don't take me wrong, I'm pro-gun if the owner is highly trained in it's use, but I think that people consider themselves to be potential Chuck Norris-clones waaay too fast. Machismo is awesome but not a good ally in debates

Waiting for a thoughtful pro-gun response on Strider's post

[Angel]

I think it has got something to do with the prevalent lone ranger fantasy.
I mean, don't take me wrong, I'm pro-gun if the owner is highly trained in it's use, but I think that people consider themselves to be potential Chuck Norris-clones waaay too fast. Machismo is awesome but not a good ally in debates

Waiting for a thoughtful pro-gun response on Strider's post

If Strider324 is making an argument against guns then his point isn't reasonable. His point mainly addresses gun storage and accidental shootings and even on these points he makes an unreasonable case. I'd want to know what evidence does he have to support his claim that accidental shootings are a mass problem? Then, I'd want him to offer evidence and/or a logical reason to support his FICTIONAL story which coincidently plays to his own bias when he spins it in such a way so that they'll be an accidental shooting. Look out--- now every single occurrence of a house break in will always end in an accidental shooting thanks to Strider324.

Lets charicature the anti gun position scenario. It's 3 a.m. and a guy breaks into a family's house. The family doesn't believe in guns because they may accidentally shoot at each other, including the kids. So the guy who is armed heads upstairs and finds a DEFENSELESS family upstairs. Now, either he robs the family if his only intention was to rob and not physically or sexually assault the family or worse. Or perhaps when the cops arrive, he takes the family hostage. You see how easy it is to spin a story and then to have the audacity to think that the story reflects how all cases will turn out?

While, we can't prove that any of the scenarios, Strider's or mine, will take place, but I don't find it far fetched to say that a family who know how to use firearms would do better defending themselves than some DEFENSELESS family who has to hide. And while also hiding, the family has to hope all the bad guy wants is just to take some valuables and then leave immediately afterwards.

[Nickman]

I am fully for the right to bear arms, as it simply isn't the government's place to intervene. It is a constitutional right, and there is no real reason for it to be taken away. The government exists to protect our rights, not serve as a nanny.

The Government also has the obligation to protect the rights of those that don't want to carry weapons and protect them from those that do carry. If some want to carry they can, if some don't they don't have to, but if the ones with guns harm others then the government has the right to protect all.

[Nickman]

Now, if we could just figure out a way to live together without gun violence, then those that want to carry can and those that don't carry don't have to worry about being shot.