ttruscott wrote:
Your way of thinking about this is a bit off:
Obviously I'll disagree with you on this point. But I must say that you have some interesting things to say. Not necessarily valid, but certainly interesting.
ttruscott wrote:
When GOD allowed us to choose the kind of life we wanted, HE encouraged us to follow HIM as to reject HIM was to become enslaved to sin, unable to ever free ourselves from evil or stop trying to pervert others.
Well, I personally know that this particular claim is necessarily a false claim.
I do not accept that the Bible has anything to do with God. I most certainly do not "follow" the teachings of the Bible, nor do I even agree with many of them. But in Christianity this is what it means to "Follow HIM".
So in a Christian sense I most certainly do not follow the Christian God.
Yet it is totally false accusation that I am enslaved to sin, or that I even remotely pervert others.
So I know from my very own existence that this claim is false. It is indeed a blatant lie. Period Amen.
There is no truth to this false claim that people who do not accept or follow the Biblical teachings of the Hebrew legends of God are necessarily "
enslaved to sin" or that they are unable to
"stop perverting others".
Those are outright lies. They are falsehoods. And since the Hebrew fables proclaim that they are true, we (or at least I) can be absolutely certain that the Hebrew fables contain outright lies.
I imagine that people who are enslaved to sin and the perversion of others wouldn't be able to see that these are lies. Obviously for them the charges could not be denied.
But for me those charges are utterly false.
I don't even smoke cigarettes anymore. Smoking cigarettes was probably the "Biggest Sin" of my entire life, if only because it was clearly not good for my health. But even I managed to quit that nasty habit on my own well over a decade ago.
In addition, even when I was a smoker I passionately warned other people not to pick up the filthy habit. And I confess to feeling disappointed in myself for not being a better example by continually clinging to the filthy habit as long as I did.
But I didn't need any God to free my from my bad habit. I managed to free myself entirely on my own.
ttruscott wrote:
These false gods:
- enticed 1/3 of the angels to join them in their rebellion and were sent to tartarus, not
a petty thing.
- taught their followers to defile HIS elect so that the judgment must be postponed until all the elect could be brought to redemption and holiness by the lessons they learned from living under the suffering caused by sin on earth,
not a petty thing.
- are the substantive cause of all the suffering in ALL creation,
not a petty thing.
Not at all petty things.
I'm sorry ttruscott, but the fictional tale of 1/3 of Gods angels falling from grace was indeed a fictional story written by a bishop who was simply trying to offer a fictional apologetic fantasy for Christianity.
I don't thing anyone actually considers those stories to be part of any accepted "Holy Scriptures". Unless of course you believe that Bishop himself was divinely inspired in his fictional writings.
Choices?
1. a life with this (supposed) GOD who was perfect and (supposedly) created us to join HIM in that perfection and in loving holy communion forever but who would damn anyone who became HIS irredeemable enemy by rejecting HIS plan for their creation,
IMHO, before he could justify damning anyone for rejecting HIS plan he would need to make clear precisely what that plan was.
But no one seems to know what the plan is ttruscott.
2. a life in which we were just as important as this obviously false god, better in fact because we were not liars about ourselves. A life in which we are our own GOD and our laws and our love is the epitomé of perfection. A life in which we bow to no one.
A life of mutual respect where there is no ultimate ego that needs to be bowed to would indeed be the epitome of perfection.
An life of eternal oppression beneath an egotistical GOD is hardly perfect.
3. a life being (or following) any other kind of god of any description based upon thoughts that though they decided this Jehovah was a false god, he did have a good gig going and they wanted in on the action.
There are plenty of other God myths around that have very righteous loving GODS that represent genuine love.
What could possibly be wrong with choosing to want to believe in a genuinely loving God?
The jealous Biblical God is going to condemn someone to eternal damnation just because they imagined that an actual LOVING God might exist?
It seems to me that any GOD who could do that would be exhibiting his own demonic hateful nature to everyone.
ttruscott wrote:
The fact that this method of finding all those who sincerely wanted to live with GOD in heaven in perfect loving, holy communion
allowed for others to set themselves up as
"gods in opposition" so to speak was a necessary part of the meaning of true free will but
nowhere is it said that GOD must make nice with these false gods who have led astray so many of HIS creation by their own claims and promises that mimicked HIS, dragging some to hell with them by their choice and by defiling HIS church with temptations and depravities, before they could learn holiness.
Everything you've described here just sounds to me like a GOD who has an extreme case of arrogance. And could not possibly have the qualities of "Perfect Love" as you claim.
A GOD who has "Perfect Love" would not be chomping at the bit to cast people into eternal damnation for simply seeking LOVE elsewhere.
Especially considering the nasty things HE has done in HIS own book! He gave Satan permission to kill Job's entire family and beat up on Job simply because Job was losing faith.
That's an example of his "Perfect Love"?
It's no wonder people are running from this GOD as fast as they can.
ttruscott wrote:
I guess if my child was enticed to a life of drugged depravity in a satanic or political cult, I must have nothing to say about it, eh?
A totally false analogy and you know it.
This is a truly underhanded and despicable trait of Christianity. Proclaim that to merely not believe in Christianity equations to all manner of horrible sick and perverted things.
That is utter nonsense. It's a truly CHEAP SHOT at non-believers. In fact, it's so cheap that it truly reveals just how weak Christianity truly is.
ttruscott wrote:
Equating GOD's righteous anger over the treatment of HIS church by these false gods and their perverted followers to the magnanimous thoughtful considerations of a man at peace with his life is ludicrous...your
mature adult human must be faced with the defence of his family by the most perverted criminals in history and the choice of doing whatever it takes to get them free, before there is any comparison at all.
What would the mature adult human say on the courtroom steps to the TV cameras about those destroying his family....?
I know what GOD said and I applaud HIS defence of His children, the elect on earth.
Peace, Ted
Well, your fundamentalism is obvious.
Just proclaim that anyone who refuses to believe in Christianity is a disgusting perverted heathen and that the Christian GOD is righteous in his hideous condemnation of them because NO OTHER GOD could possible represent PERFECT LOVE like the God or Christianity.
The truth is Ted that there is no truth to this position at all.
Other religions exist that offer truly loving GODS.
So your claim that all other GODS are out to corrupt and pervert people is simple a totally FALSE claim.
Therefore if Christianity is making this claim, then Christianity itself must necessarily be a FALSE religion. Because it's making FALSE claims.