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kayky wrote:
Jax Agnesson wrote:
Being an atheist, I have no claim, and no right, to say what is or isn't 'Christian'. But looking at it from the outside, ISTM that nobody else, not even a Christian, has any right to make such a claim either.
Kayky is a Christian.
99% is a Christian.
Spong is a Christian.
So is Pope Francis.
I'm asking for some clarity here.
Every religion must have some way of agreeing what is universally (within the faith) recognised as sin and what is not.
Jews, Sunni Muslims, Roman Catholics, Unitarian Christians, and everyone in between, has access to the same set of ancient Scriptures, plus some more recent declarations, interpretations, prophesies, philosophical commentaries, and folk stories. It's not like Jewish, Muslim and Christian scholars have never read or debated each other's stuff.
So how 99% (for example) can with such apparent certainty declare Kayky wrong about God's will in a matter that is not universally agreeed within the faith is a genuine puzzle to me. How is it possible to know whether Jesus really said x, or what exactly He would have meant if He did say it?

PS: To interject, with no warrant whatsoever, my own impression here; from my vague and receding memories of what I once thought Christianity was all about, Kayky's compassion seems a lot more in keeping than 99%'s bigotry. But what the bleep do I know?
Thank you, Jax. Jesus taught only one standard for morality: love.
His moral condition for "love" included the immutability of repentance. Or, unless one does not repent, they are either a non-believer, or one that is in the wrong and needs to be loved in either definition.

Love does not mean condoning sin and sinners.

Unless you have a Jesus NOT of thr Gospels that is. I guess a hippy guru Jesus could be seen as doing things quite more licentious than the real Jesus.

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99percentatheism wrote:
kayky wrote:
Jax Agnesson wrote:
Being an atheist, I have no claim, and no right, to say what is or isn't 'Christian'. But looking at it from the outside, ISTM that nobody else, not even a Christian, has any right to make such a claim either.
Kayky is a Christian.
99% is a Christian.
Spong is a Christian.
So is Pope Francis.
I'm asking for some clarity here.
Every religion must have some way of agreeing what is universally (within the faith) recognised as sin and what is not.
Jews, Sunni Muslims, Roman Catholics, Unitarian Christians, and everyone in between, has access to the same set of ancient Scriptures, plus some more recent declarations, interpretations, prophesies, philosophical commentaries, and folk stories. It's not like Jewish, Muslim and Christian scholars have never read or debated each other's stuff.
So how 99% (for example) can with such apparent certainty declare Kayky wrong about God's will in a matter that is not universally agreeed within the faith is a genuine puzzle to me. How is it possible to know whether Jesus really said x, or what exactly He would have meant if He did say it?

PS: To interject, with no warrant whatsoever, my own impression here; from my vague and receding memories of what I once thought Christianity was all about, Kayky's compassion seems a lot more in keeping than 99%'s bigotry. But what the bleep do I know?
Thank you, Jax. Jesus taught only one standard for morality: love.
His moral condition for "love" included the immutability of repentance. Or, unless one does not repent, they are either a non-believer, or one that is in the wrong and needs to be loved in either definition.

Love does not mean condoning sin and sinners.

Unless you have a Jesus NOT of thr Gospels that is. I guess a hippy guru Jesus could be seen as doing things quite more licentious than the real Jesus.
Have you ever encountered unconditional love?

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JohnPaul wrote: 99percent's agenda is to destroy the credibility of Christianity by presenting it here as filled with nothing but irrational hate. He is being helped in that task by the demon Belial which I invoked upon him in a previous thread.
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Allahakbar wrote: Is 99 the teachers pet? Even a casual reading of his posts presents an incessant MO of personal attacks, protected species or what.
Besides which is incessant harping on that homosexuality is a sin in the NT is, I would imagine, an attempt to convince people by the sheer fact that he repeats it so often. Unfortunately for him there is nothing in the NT to support this deliberate dishonesty.
While your personal attack is noted for what it is, the subject of homosexuality is immutably negative in the New Testament.

Rather than do an ad hom attack on me, which I fully realize feels good, why not just face the facts that the Gay Community and its immensely large liberal, non and anti Christian secular support groups is demanding that Christian truth be changed and wiped away by sheer power of a mob to demand what cannot be justified.

Why not agree to the facts that gay life is antithetical to what is presented in Christian history and just invent a new religion or try to stand the testing in a declaration of a new denomination. Just the same as the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses have. How can that not be seen as honest and logical?

While my adversaries here make a claim that the Bible doesn't say what it clearly says, the testimony of history and of written recording testifies against their position. It is not in the accusation about a "mean guy" with the usuername 99percentatheism that is the subject matter here. It is the heretical nature of the theology behind the insertion of gay activism where it cannot ever be fit, and therefore, it should do what is civil and invent its own religion to makes it adherants feel good about their behaviors.

People that post here and have posted here, know full well that the position about Christian mrriage is settled by theology, reality and honesty. There is no such thing as same gender marriage in Christian truth. No socialist president in America or Europe can alter that truth based on their personal feelings. If that is going to be the arbiter of Biblical Truth, than there is not JUST an attack on Christianity, there is a wholesale wiping away of the Gospels and the reality of Jesus Christ.

There is no indication or justification that the Gospels declare a licentious theology. And especially a lascivious licentiousness theology. Just the contrary. The definition of love in the Gospels is clearly not: Do as thou wilt based on a vote of practioners to any kind of physical sensuality or sexuality. And the love in the Gospels is not a pre-version to the Hippy '60's or of a lifestyle based on Hugh Hefner's idea for making money and pleasing the flesh, nor based on a riot at a Gay Bar in New York.

The writings in the New Testament clearly define what is Christian behavior and what isn't. And Christian marriage is man and woman/husband and wife in all honesty and actuality. To claim otherwise is agenda based of a "different Gospel" and little else.

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Allahakbar wrote:
99percentatheism wrote:
kayky wrote:
Jax Agnesson wrote:
Being an atheist, I have no claim, and no right, to say what is or isn't 'Christian'. But looking at it from the outside, ISTM that nobody else, not even a Christian, has any right to make such a claim either.
Kayky is a Christian.
99% is a Christian.
Spong is a Christian.
So is Pope Francis.
I'm asking for some clarity here.
Every religion must have some way of agreeing what is universally (within the faith) recognised as sin and what is not.
Jews, Sunni Muslims, Roman Catholics, Unitarian Christians, and everyone in between, has access to the same set of ancient Scriptures, plus some more recent declarations, interpretations, prophesies, philosophical commentaries, and folk stories. It's not like Jewish, Muslim and Christian scholars have never read or debated each other's stuff.
So how 99% (for example) can with such apparent certainty declare Kayky wrong about God's will in a matter that is not universally agreeed within the faith is a genuine puzzle to me. How is it possible to know whether Jesus really said x, or what exactly He would have meant if He did say it?

PS: To interject, with no warrant whatsoever, my own impression here; from my vague and receding memories of what I once thought Christianity was all about, Kayky's compassion seems a lot more in keeping than 99%'s bigotry. But what the bleep do I know?
Thank you, Jax. Jesus taught only one standard for morality: love.
His moral condition for "love" included the immutability of repentance. Or, unless one does not repent, they are either a non-believer, or one that is in the wrong and needs to be loved in either definition.

Love does not mean condoning sin and sinners.

Unless you have a Jesus NOT of the Gospels that is. I guess a hippy guru Jesus could be seen as doing things quite more licentious than the real Jesus.

Have you ever encountered unconditional love?

Yes. I have met seveal single Mothers that didn't kill their unborn children for their own convenience and are now raising them in a Christian home. (That includes their repentance and forgiveness.)

Thanks for asking.

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99percentatheism wrote:
Allahakbar wrote:
99percentatheism wrote:
kayky wrote:
Jax Agnesson wrote:
Being an atheist, I have no claim, and no right, to say what is or isn't 'Christian'. But looking at it from the outside, ISTM that nobody else, not even a Christian, has any right to make such a claim either.
Kayky is a Christian.
99% is a Christian.
Spong is a Christian.
So is Pope Francis.
I'm asking for some clarity here.
Every religion must have some way of agreeing what is universally (within the faith) recognised as sin and what is not.
Jews, Sunni Muslims, Roman Catholics, Unitarian Christians, and everyone in between, has access to the same set of ancient Scriptures, plus some more recent declarations, interpretations, prophesies, philosophical commentaries, and folk stories. It's not like Jewish, Muslim and Christian scholars have never read or debated each other's stuff.
So how 99% (for example) can with such apparent certainty declare Kayky wrong about God's will in a matter that is not universally agreeed within the faith is a genuine puzzle to me. How is it possible to know whether Jesus really said x, or what exactly He would have meant if He did say it?

PS: To interject, with no warrant whatsoever, my own impression here; from my vague and receding memories of what I once thought Christianity was all about, Kayky's compassion seems a lot more in keeping than 99%'s bigotry. But what the bleep do I know?
Thank you, Jax. Jesus taught only one standard for morality: love.
His moral condition for "love" included the immutability of repentance. Or, unless one does not repent, they are either a non-believer, or one that is in the wrong and needs to be loved in either definition.

Love does not mean condoning sin and sinners.

Unless you have a Jesus NOT of the Gospels that is. I guess a hippy guru Jesus could be seen as doing things quite more licentious than the real Jesus.

Have you ever encountered unconditional love?

Yes. I have met seveal single Mothers that didn't kill their unborn children for their own convenience and are now raising them in a Christian home. (That includes their repentance and forgiveness.)

Thanks for asking.
Well I didn't expect such a fearful response. Is unconditional love so frightening to you? Or is it just that you have no concept of unconditional love because you believe your version of the bible?

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Allahakbar wrote:
99percentatheism wrote:
Allahakbar wrote:
99percentatheism wrote:
kayky wrote:
Jax Agnesson wrote:
Being an atheist, I have no claim, and no right, to say what is or isn't 'Christian'. But looking at it from the outside, ISTM that nobody else, not even a Christian, has any right to make such a claim either.
Kayky is a Christian.
99% is a Christian.
Spong is a Christian.
So is Pope Francis.
I'm asking for some clarity here.
Every religion must have some way of agreeing what is universally (within the faith) recognised as sin and what is not.
Jews, Sunni Muslims, Roman Catholics, Unitarian Christians, and everyone in between, has access to the same set of ancient Scriptures, plus some more recent declarations, interpretations, prophesies, philosophical commentaries, and folk stories. It's not like Jewish, Muslim and Christian scholars have never read or debated each other's stuff.
So how 99% (for example) can with such apparent certainty declare Kayky wrong about God's will in a matter that is not universally agreeed within the faith is a genuine puzzle to me. How is it possible to know whether Jesus really said x, or what exactly He would have meant if He did say it?

PS: To interject, with no warrant whatsoever, my own impression here; from my vague and receding memories of what I once thought Christianity was all about, Kayky's compassion seems a lot more in keeping than 99%'s bigotry. But what the bleep do I know?
Thank you, Jax. Jesus taught only one standard for morality: love.
His moral condition for "love" included the immutability of repentance. Or, unless one does not repent, they are either a non-believer, or one that is in the wrong and needs to be loved in either definition.

Love does not mean condoning sin and sinners.

Unless you have a Jesus NOT of the Gospels that is. I guess a hippy guru Jesus could be seen as doing things quite more licentious than the real Jesus.

Have you ever encountered unconditional love?

Yes. I have met seveal single Mothers that didn't kill their unborn children for their own convenience and are now raising them in a Christian home. (That includes their repentance and forgiveness.)

Thanks for asking.
Well I didn't expect such a fearful response. Is unconditional love so frightening to you? Or is it just that you have no concept of unconditional love because you believe your version of the bible?
Geez I'm sorry I most have missed something in my honest reply to your simple request. I guess I didn't see the complicates set up in your demand.

I thought reality was important to your query, so I used people you can actually see and talk to if you wanted to. There are many in the Evangelical Churches. Anyone is welcome there. Even you if you so care to enquire of which I reference.

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As I mentioned in my previous post ...I present the below link to the Australian 60 Minutes segment pertaining to Gender Dysphoria. While I hope that everyone will watch the segment and comment if necessary I particularly welcome any comments of 99percentatheism. His biblical viewpoint is that God created man and woman ...no ifs, ands or buts. Apparently, Gender Dysphoria is recognized as a genuine 'condition' in a growing number of people (children).

99percent ...is it such a stretch to believe that homosexuality is just such a form of Gender Dysphoria in a percentage of human beings? If so, where does that leave your anti-gay Bible referencing? Did God (or man's interpretation of God) have any idea that Gender Dysphoria existed? How about Paul, Jude, Timothy . . .?


http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/arti ... id=8674056

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KCKID wrote: As I mentioned in my previous post ...I present the below link to the Australian 60 Minutes segment pertaining to Gender Dysphoria. While I hope that everyone will watch the segment and comment if necessary I particularly welcome any comments of 99percentatheism. His biblical viewpoint is that God created man and woman ...no ifs, ands or buts. Apparently, Gender Dysphoria is recognized as a genuine 'condition' in a growing number of people (children).

99percent ...is it such a stretch to believe that homosexuality is just such a form of Gender Dysphoria in a percentage of human beings? If so, where does that leave your anti-gay Bible referencing? Did God (or man's interpretation of God) have any idea that Gender Dysphoria existed? How about Paul, Jude, Timothy . . .?


http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/arti ... id=8674056
You can't be serious. Yet another neologism fom psychology?

Dysphoria? That means: "I don't feel I like what I'm feeling."

We're going to reassign society on how we all feel from moment to moment?

Good luck with that KID.

20 + 5 = 3

Cuz' that's what I feel.

Can't wait for the new PhD qualifications in your new world order.

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99percentatheism wrote:
Allahakbar wrote:
99percentatheism wrote:
Allahakbar wrote:
99percentatheism wrote:
kayky wrote:
Jax Agnesson wrote:
Being an atheist, I have no claim, and no right, to say what is or isn't 'Christian'. But looking at it from the outside, ISTM that nobody else, not even a Christian, has any right to make such a claim either.
Kayky is a Christian.
99% is a Christian.
Spong is a Christian.
So is Pope Francis.
I'm asking for some clarity here.
Every religion must have some way of agreeing what is universally (within the faith) recognised as sin and what is not.
Jews, Sunni Muslims, Roman Catholics, Unitarian Christians, and everyone in between, has access to the same set of ancient Scriptures, plus some more recent declarations, interpretations, prophesies, philosophical commentaries, and folk stories. It's not like Jewish, Muslim and Christian scholars have never read or debated each other's stuff.
So how 99% (for example) can with such apparent certainty declare Kayky wrong about God's will in a matter that is not universally agreeed within the faith is a genuine puzzle to me. How is it possible to know whether Jesus really said x, or what exactly He would have meant if He did say it?

PS: To interject, with no warrant whatsoever, my own impression here; from my vague and receding memories of what I once thought Christianity was all about, Kayky's compassion seems a lot more in keeping than 99%'s bigotry. But what the bleep do I know?
Thank you, Jax. Jesus taught only one standard for morality: love.
His moral condition for "love" included the immutability of repentance. Or, unless one does not repent, they are either a non-believer, or one that is in the wrong and needs to be loved in either definition.

Love does not mean condoning sin and sinners.

Unless you have a Jesus NOT of the Gospels that is. I guess a hippy guru Jesus could be seen as doing things quite more licentious than the real Jesus.

Have you ever encountered unconditional love?

Yes. I have met seveal single Mothers that didn't kill their unborn children for their own convenience and are now raising them in a Christian home. (That includes their repentance and forgiveness.)

Thanks for asking.
Well I didn't expect such a fearful response. Is unconditional love so frightening to you? Or is it just that you have no concept of unconditional love because you believe your version of the bible?
Geez I'm sorry I most have missed something in my honest reply to your simple request. I guess I didn't see the complicates set up in your demand.

I thought reality was important to your query, so I used people you can actually see and talk to if you wanted to. There are many in the Evangelical Churches. Anyone is welcome there. Even you if you so care to enquire of which I reference.
Hey 99 if I was to avail myself of your invitation, which church would I go to?
But back on topic YELLING doesn't make any difference to the claim that you know unconditional love. The example you gave was so pathetic that I feel sure preschoolers could have done better.
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