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If you already believe in God + Jesus, we can talk about that, too
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I did that coffee, and that turned out to be a lie. So this is one of the many reasons why I know the bible is filled with lies.coffeem8 wrote: @ Divine Insight:
Hey =)
"I was taught that myself, and in the beginning (before I actually studied the Bible for myself) actually believed that nonsense." - by divine insight
* d, I say this for the sake of any who, perhaps, have NOT studied the Bible..
Jeremiah 29:13
And ye shall seek me and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
I found the Bible to be filled with utter nonsense as well as immoral principles. What you don't seem to be understanding here coffee is that if the Bible is genuinely describing an actual "God" verbatim, than this IMHO this "God" is an evil immoral and immature idiot that I could never respect much less love.coffeem8 wrote:IMHO this proves that people like some of the Word but not all of it." On the contrary, the proof that it\'s false is actually given to us by the many disagreeing sects and denominations of this religion. And we can\'t even limit this to only Christianity, we must also recognize that both Judaism and Islam are based on this same folklore. Yet it\'s crystal clear that none of these people can agree on much of anything. Therefore to claim that "God Explains" anything in this religion is absurd, IMHO." - divine insight
IMHO this proves that one must trust the Word, as opposed to trusting in buildings and billboards.
Yes, I've heard this truly lame apology more times that I care to mention. All you're doing here is regurgitating that standard apologetic answers. Answers that don't answer anything.coffeem8 wrote:Romans 6:23"So why did the Biblical God demand blood sacrifices for the atonement of sin?" divine insight
For the wages of sin is death...
Genesis 2:17
....for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Leviticus 17:11
For the life of the flesh is in the blood....
So di,
Sin= death;
whats the cure for death? Life.
Where is the life? In the blood.
That's why blood offering.. because God gave everyone chance after chance to get back in right standing with him- to this day.
coffeem8 wrote:" Where in the Bible does it teach parents how to raise children properly? And where is there any detailed instruction on how to deal with difficult or unruly children (other than to stone them to death)." - divine insight
Deuteronomy 4:9
Only take heed to thyself, and keep thy soul diligently, lest thou forget the things which thine eyes have seen, and lest they depart from thy heart all the days of thy life: but teach them to thy sons, and thy sons' sons;
This doesn't answer my question. My question is how to deal with unruly children who refuse to be taught? This verse assume that all children are teachable.
Psalms 127:3 - Lo, children [are] an heritage of the LORD: [and] the fruit of the womb [is his] reward.
This verse is completely useless and offers nothing on how to deal with unruly children.
Did you even bother to actually read my question?
Proverbs 22:6 - Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
And again, this verse assumes that there are no such thing as unruly children. Yet the Bible itself recognizes that unruly children do indeed exist because it instructs us to stone them to death. Which IMHO is not a divine solution. Even though this does seem to be the Biblical God's answer to just about eveything.
Proverbs 29:17 - Correct thy son, and he shall give thee rest; yea, he shall give delight unto thy soul.
But it doesn't tell you how to correct unruly children. In only says to stone them to death. So you're not answering my question. Also this verse doesn't even give instructions on the proper way to "correct" a child. What does that mean? Does it mean to beat the child into submission? I think that's illegal in today's day and age. It's also an immoral and unwise solution IMHO. Beating children has been shown to result in people who become violent later in their lives and who also then believe that beating up other people is the way to make them do as they want. This creates wife-beaters.
Proverbs 13:1 - A wise son [heareth] his father's instruction: but a scorner heareth not rebuke.
And so what's the solution? Stone the child to death like the Bible says?
You're not answering my question and neither does the bible.
Proverbs 29:15 - The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left [to himself] bringeth his mother to shame.
The rod? Is this verse once again teaching that beating a child into submission is divine wisdom? I think this just shows that this Bible was written by barbaric immoral idiots who clearly had no clue how to properly raise children. It's no wonder that their culture continued to behave in this barbaric manner for thousands of years.
I agree that this is what this barbaric immoral book claims. That's not in dispute.coffeem8 wrote: Deuteronomy Chapter 6
6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
So, di, disobeying Gods way brings judgement, and accepting the person of the wicked brings judgement on any who agree with that one. Period.
It's just that these commandments are not wise. They are the commandments of an insane culture that used an imaginary God to preach their immoral and unwise practices.
There is no wisdom in it. If you were to actually follow these commandments today you would be considered a criminal and potentially thrown in jail for child abuse. We've grown beyond these immoral archaic practices. Or at least some of us have.
IMHO this is superstitious nonsense that is currently causing Holy Wars and civil and political unrest in the world. Following the directives of these ancient religions only pits men against men. The "wrath" that results from this has nothing to do with any God. It's just the wrath of men aimed at other men in the name of their fictitious jealous Gods.coffeem8 wrote: You said in an earlier text that non religious people had to live with people who fight holy wars.. this is not correct. The world faces the wrath of God because of neglecting to honor His Word. That brings judgement and war and every human being, every creation is catering to God right now, fitting into his plan, whether for good or evil, whether they like it or not.
Like I say, having read the Bible has indeed opened my eyes to the TRUTH. These religions are nothing more than egotistical fodder men who love wrath. And so they use this fictitious immoral God to bring wrath upon each other whilst they beat their children into submission. All in the name of God.
So you're saying that all Christian men have found good women who will agree and answer to their misogynistic biblical demands?coffeem8 wrote:" How should a man go about finding a decent dependable mate? And what should he do to convince her to marry him?" - divine insight
Prov.2
[1] My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee; [2] So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding; [3] Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding; [4] If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures; [5] Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God. [6] For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding. [7] He layeth up sound wisdom for the righteous: he is a buckler to them that walk uprightly. [8] He keepeth the paths of judgment, and preserveth the way of his saints. [9] Then shalt thou understand righteousness, and judgment, and equity; yea, every good path. [10] When wisdom entereth into thine heart, and knowledge is pleasant unto thy soul; [11] Discretion shall preserve thee, understanding shall keep thee: [12] To deliver thee from the way of the evil man, from the man that speaketh froward things; [13] Who leave the paths of uprightness, to walk in the ways of darkness; [14] Who rejoice to do evil, and delight in the frowardness of the wicked; [15] Whose ways are crooked, and they froward in their paths: [16] To deliver thee from the strange woman, even from the stranger which flattereth with her words; [17] Which forsaketh the guide of her youth, and forgetteth the covenant of her God. [18] For her house inclineth unto death, and her paths unto the dead. [19] None that go unto her return again, neither take they hold of the paths of life. [20] That thou mayest walk in the way of good men, and keep the paths of the righteous. [21] For the upright shall dwell in the land, and the perfect shall remain in it. [22] But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it.
About getting her to agree, well, a good woman will agree and answer to a man who has the Word of God as his guide.
I don't think we see this in real life. So once again we see the TRUTH that these superstitions don't pan out.
The problem is that according to the Biblical description of this God, this God is not "higher" than anyone. On the contrary, his immorality is beneath many mortal humans that we consider to be criminal.coffeem8 wrote:" Why should anyone trust any advice on how to find a mate that comes from a God who fixed Adam up with a Bimbo like Eve who ended up getting all of humanity in trouble?
I mean, even if the Bible offered advice on how to find a good mate who could trust it if it came from this God? He clearly doesn\'t know anything about how to fix a man up with a good woman."
Isaiah 55:8-9 King James Version (KJV)
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Like I have already pointed out. That Taliban are about the only society on earth who is actually behaving the way this God had instructed men to behave, and most respectable moral people reject that ways of the Taliban as being basically ignorant, immoral, and downright criminal.
And that would be absolute nonsense.coffeem8 wrote: If I were playing the game the way I wanted to, I'd be saying hey, repent.. to know him is to love him!
What? Think about what you just said here very carefully. Why should anyone need to be forgiven for something they are ignorant of?coffeem8 wrote: Therefore, if this blasphemy is done in ignorance there's still a chance for forgiveness![]()
Do you believe in Jesus?
Did Jesus pray to God when he was being crucified, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do"?
Clearly Jesus forgives people for being ignorant. So there's no need for "forgiveness" if a person doesn't truly understand something.
Also, if my picture of the Biblical God is wrong, the clearly I'm not rejecting that Biblical God at all, but instead I'm rejecting a totally WRONG picture of God.
If that's true then God would be extremely pleased with me for rejecting a totally incorrect and false picture of God.
So you see Coffee, even if they exists a truly righteous, all-wise, and loving God, then I have absolutely nothing to fear at all. On the contrary, that's precisely what am arguing for. I reject the Bible because it is unrighteous, unwise, and unloving.
If those are not the traits of "God", then I am indeed praising God by rejecting the Bible that I see as being the opposite of those traits.
So I would have absolutely nothing to "repent". On the contrary I am giving God the highest possible praise by rejecting an ignorant immoral mythology that makes God out to be an extremely immoral idiot.
So if a truly righteous God exists my destiny to Seventh Heaven is guaranteed.
Only those who have supported an immoral and unwise God by preaching the Bible would be in trouble. For they would have been insulting God to the highest.
Rejecting Hebrew mythology is the best thing you can do if you want to show respect for any genuinely wise and righteous God.
This was the same for me. Actually I was taken in for around 30 years believing it to be true. Now Christians are continually telling me I was never a true Christian to begin with, but yet I earnestly served God with all my heart.Divine Insight wrote:I did that coffee, and that turned out to be a lie. So this is one of the many reasons why I know the bible is filled with lies.coffeem8 wrote: @ Divine Insight:
Hey =)
"I was taught that myself, and in the beginning (before I actually studied the Bible for myself) actually believed that nonsense." - by divine insight
* d, I say this for the sake of any who, perhaps, have NOT studied the Bible..
Jeremiah 29:13
And ye shall seek me and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
This is actually my number 1 reason for rejecting the Bible. Not only do I disagree with the morality of God depicted in the Bible, but IMHO the ways in which this God attempts to deal with problems are extremely unintelligent (downright stupid if I may be permitted to honestly express my feelings).8) the bible illustrates a God with horrible morals which I just can't possibly believe would exist.
I did this as well.12) the bible seems way too much like the word of ignorant man that the word of God
I agree, this is truly an indication that these scriptures themselves are pretty darn pathetic on their own. A lot of people claim that the Bible is "The Greatest Piece of Literature Ever Written".13) the bible needs a branch of defence known as "apologetics" to justify it and cover up the above list of things.
Reminds me of Emerson's quote about those who hang on to a single thought to describe a problem. The answer this question seeks is not able to be given because the premise is wrong but since the answer is not given, the premise is repeated over and over and over...In Genesis Chapter 1:21 it says, "And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good."
So I guess your first challenge is to explain to me why God created animals that eat each other, and each others babies, and thought that this was "good"?
We have...the thinking has been done and recorded and written down here many times and what good has it done us?To begin with why did God allow an evil serpent into the Garden of Eden in the first place? Think
IMCO:Thirdly, if being naked is evil, then why were Adam and Eve naked to begin with?
It is indeed a sad truth of being sinful that one is blind to spiritual truths and values. This inability to perceive his danger to them and GOD's unwillingness to warn them is a social proof that HE wanted the serpent to expose his evil to them by seducing them, (as HE also sucked both Pharaoh and Satan to expose their evil to Moses and Job and, vicariously, to us). Since it is impossible for a GOD who is loving and holy to treat any innocent person this way it is proof that they were indeed naked as a symbol for sin. The fact that being naked (unclothed) with your spouse in your own garden is NOT a sin proves the nakedness referred to when their eyes were opened to their sin could not have been a state of unclothedness because unclothedness has no sin value, only nakedness used as a metaphor for evil does.Secondly how in the world could Adam or Eve have recognize that the serpent was lying to them if they had no knowledge of good and evil, and lying is evil?
coffeem8 wrote: And just for fun, I command every spirit that causes people to believe in evolution to manifest in the form of the beast that believer has chosen as ancestor.