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What if the priests were wrong?

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The Jewish priestly classes of Jesus's time must have numbered less than 100(?), and as we know, the majority didn't believe Jesus was the Messiah.
But what if they were wrong?
Why do millions of Jews all over the world take their word for it?

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The Jewish priestly classes of Jesus's time must have numbered less than 100(?), and as we know, the majority didn't believe Jesus was the Messiah.
But what if they were wrong?
Why do millions of Jews all over the world take their word for it?


Why shouldn't they?? The concept of the way Christian push the Messiah is not the Jewish concept at all. Why should Jews be worried about another religions claims?

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Dropship wrote:

The Jewish priestly classes of Jesus's time must have numbered less than 100(?), and as we know, the majority didn't believe Jesus was the Messiah.
But what if they were wrong?
Why do millions of Jews all over the world take their word for it?


Just a note, your estimate may not be taking into account that there were 12 courses, that served one month each on an annual cycle. Now the members of the Sanhedrin may have served longer terms and the Cohen HaGadol never left the Temple, but that does not constitute the entirety of the Levite tribe, or even the Kohath clan.

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The Jewish priestly classes of Jesus's time must have numbered less than 100(?), and as we know, the majority didn't believe Jesus was the Messiah.
But what if they were wrong?
Why do millions of Jews all over the world take their word for it?


Well that's 100 to 1. What if Jesus was wrong? Think

Moreover, the mere fact that we even need to ask this question doesn't say much for the Father God of Christianity.

What kind of a God who demands to be obeyed lest he'll condemn souls to everlasting punishment would create a religion where people have to guess?

That would be a God that nobody could trust.

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Dropship wrote:

The Jewish priestly classes of Jesus's time must have numbered less than 100(?), and as we know, the majority didn't believe Jesus was the Messiah.
But what if they were wrong?
Why do millions of Jews all over the world take their word for it?


Hi there! Newbie here. I thought I'd take a stab at answering this question.

I think the first point of confusion is the misconceptions that Jews and Christians read the Hebrew Scriptures in the same way. But I think it’s important to remember that we’re talking about what the Jews think on the matter of the messiah. Bear in mind that the Hebrew Bible (OT) was written by Jews and for Jews and it assumes that the reader understands Jewish culture, customs, traditions and has knowledge of the explanations for the scripture, as handed down from Moses and the prophets to the Jewish people, throughout the generations.

By the time the Hebrew Bible was completed, there was a known set of criteria that a potential messiah would have to meet in order to qualify for the job. This criteria was known, it was understood, and it was studied in Jewish communities. There was an unbroken line of communication from the prophets who wrote the word of G-d, carried down through the generations. This line of communication remains unbroken to this very day, and was certainly in effect during Jesus’s day. Every Torah true, educated Jew alive during the time of Jesus seemed to understand what the criteria was that the messiah would have to meet in order that we would recognize him as the messiah. In 2700 years, this criteria has remained exactly the same.

This list is:
- The messiah will be born of a Jewish woman.
- The messiah will be from the house of David, through the line of Solomon. -Male-side only, unbroken line from physical father, to biological son.
- The messiah will establish the kingdom of Israel in the land of Israel.
- The messiah will bring about world peace within his own lifetime. Weapons will be dismantled.
- When we are IN the messianic era, everyone will recognize that there is a G-d who created the universe.

G-d gave us a very specific list which spells out who can and who cannot be considered to be potential messianic candidate. Jews believe that G-d is always right, never lies, and doesn't "punk" his children, so when G-d tells us what to look for, we take it very seriously.

When the Rabbis rejected the claims of Jesus, please understand that they were not making a random judgement based on personal or political bias. Jesus did NOT meet the criteria. If he had, and he had also accomplished the tasks, then he would have been declared to be the messiah without any hesitation.

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