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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:10 pm  Morality of Suicide Reply with quote

For quite some time, I have been of the opinion that suicide is always immoral. This intuition arises out of my awe at how complicated and delicate the human body is, yet how elegantly all these systems work together, for the most part.

However I read something the other day which was to the effect of, "Life is for learning and growing, not for suffering through." I have to admit that this makes a lot of sense to me, too. But this leads to the possibility that at times suicide is justified. Specifically, when one can reasonably expect an excess of suffering in the future, and this condition will prevent any significant growth as a person, contribution to society, or whatever that person finds meaningful.

When I thought about this further, I realized that I probably wouldn't begrudge someone who committed suicide, provided they had rationally come to the conclusion that these criteria were satisfied. While I would never advise suicide, I think my view has changed to the point where I can accept it in certain circumstances without condemning it. I'm wondering what others think about the morality of suicide. Is it on par with murder because it ends a human life? Or is it a different act because rational beings are free to choose death for themselves although not for others?
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Andre_5772 wrote:

For quite some time, I have been of the opinion that suicide is always immoral. This intuition arises out of my awe at how complicated and delicate the human body is, yet how elegantly all these systems work together, for the most part.

However I read something the other day which was to the effect of, "Life is for learning and growing, not for suffering through." I have to admit that this makes a lot of sense to me, too. But this leads to the possibility that at times suicide is justified. Specifically, when one can reasonably expect an excess of suffering in the future, and this condition will prevent any significant growth as a person, contribution to society, or whatever that person finds meaningful.

When I thought about this further, I realized that I probably wouldn't begrudge someone who committed suicide, provided they had rationally come to the conclusion that these criteria were satisfied. While I would never advise suicide, I think my view has changed to the point where I can accept it in certain circumstances without condemning it. I'm wondering what others think about the morality of suicide. Is it on par with murder because it ends a human life? Or is it a different act because rational beings are free to choose death for themselves although not for others?


Honestly, what does it matter? Why do we care if suicide is morally justified? What good is justification when you're dead? So we can judge the person who commits it? So that we can say that he or she will be damned to hell for doing it? What is the purpose of knowing the answer to this question? Is it so that you can justify your own thoughts of suicide? People do what they have to do. That's it. Some people don't want to live. It's their choice. Trying to decide whether or not what they've done is justifiable is useless speculation, unless it applies to you.

Do the dead care if they are justified by men? Do the dead care if they are forgiven by mere men?

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Fallibleone wrote:

ChristianGuy wrote:
Well, as an atheist you are not going to like my response, but you just have to trust God. No matter what the situation is.


I guess that I would find it hard to trust in a being who feels it would be better for my children to watch me slowly and painfully deteriorate into a senseless vegetable who needs to be fed through a tube than to have to come to terms with my absence, but remember me as a functioning human being who knew who they were.


You don't have to be fed through a tube. Let me rephrase this into a question. Is it suicide to refuse to be fed through a tube, if you are incapable of eating through your mouth?

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Suicide is a personal choice, if not induced. When it is, it's homicide.

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Mask of the Devil wrote:

Suicide is a personal choice, if not induced. When it is, it's homicide.



That seems a bit oversimplified. If person x (or group x) is torturing someone (mentally or physically) when is that line crossed? There are several naturally occurring phenomena (certain toxins in flora and fauna) that almost always cause a person to commit suicide. The anguish is unbearable. Most people call such instances "suicide," but they grasp the reality of it being something much different than "normal" suicide. The toxin/torture caused the death as surely as the person himself.

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