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His death wasn't enough.
To redeem the elect.

 
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Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 1: Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:03 pm  His death wasn't enough. Reply

It should be self evident concidering Jesus should long been back if in fact it was finished. Something was deficient in his sacrifice. Paul indicates a suffering quota was yet in arrears.
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Colossians 1:24New International Version (NIV)

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24 Now I rejoice in what I am suffering for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church.
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Odd. Seems like a debatable subject?
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postroad wrote:

Odd. Seems like a debatable subject?


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Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 4: Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:40 pm   Reply

postroad wrote:
His death wasn't enough.

What you say is true; as far as it goes. But your interpretation needs attention. Here's what I mean:

Were I the Devil, I would do my utmost best to disprove Jesus' bodily resurrection because his bodily crucifixion is only half enough to protect people from the wrath of God. Though his bodily crucifixion obtains forgiveness for people's sins, it doesn't gain people an acquittal; i.e. exoneration; viz: a verdict of innocence; which is a verdict rendered when there isn't enough evidence to convict.

Rom 4:25 . . He was delivered over to death for our sins, and was raised to life for our justification.

The Greek word translated "justification" is dikaiosis (dik-ah'-yo-sis) whjich means acquittal; i.e. a verdict of innocence.

People merely forgiven still carry a load of guilt; viz: they have a criminal record. Christ's bodily resurrection deletes their record so that on the books, it's as though they've never done anything bad.

This exoneration that I'm talking about is obtained via the kindness and generosity of God through belief in the resurrection of Christ's crucified body. If the Devil can succeed in convincing people that Jesus' crucified body is still dead or, even better yet, make them question whether the man even existed at all; then they will fail to obtain an acquittal, and consequently end up put to death in brimstone because records are to be reviewed when people stand to face justice at the Great White Throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15.

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