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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:06 pm  JW organization. Reply with quote

Jehovah's Witnesses are not allowed to:

-vote
-celebrate birthdays
-celebrate Christmas or Easter
-donate or receive blood transfusions.

And if any JW openly persists in doing these things[edit to add publicly], they will be shunned or disfellowshipped, [edit to add or otherwise admonished or disciplined.]

For debate,

1) what do any of these check-list prohibitions have to do with Christianity?

2) And are any of these prohibitions compatible with the idea of Christian freedom?

3) Are these prohibitions arbitrary or legalistic?

4) And could Jehvoah's Witness as an organization flourish without these particular prohibitions and still honor God?

Please address any or all of the above.
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A Jesus on every street corner.
Don't make eye contact.



onewithhim wrote:


Does your wife agree with you on your viewpoints? Smile



Nope, she left.
Wanna date?


onewithhim wrote:


I feel that Jesus was not paranoid nor delusional.



That feeling is to be expected of a believer.
I would not imagine that you would feel otherwise.

We both of us base our beliefs on the Bible.. it's just that we have arrived at wildly different conclusions about it, haven't we?


onewithhim wrote:


He expected to be treated poorly because the OT prophesied that he would be. Never mind that he knew everything about Jehovah's purposes even before he came to the earth.



Oh right.. his paranoid delusion was based on ancient Jewish beliefs. He was supposed to be "the Messiah". Woo... Unfortunately, there are many people who suffer from paranoid delusions like that.. we call them suffering from "messiah complex" and so on.. that's quite common, and in too many cases, quite tragic too. The Bible story has it that Jesus's followers didn't fare too well, either.

Many early Christian leaders and followers were tortured and rubbed out.
Religion back in the day was VERY serious business.

Still is today.
Big honking serious business.

And people STILL die over it.


onewithhim wrote:


It's good that you caught the fact that he was indeed criticizing the religious authorities; believe it or not, most people don't realize that, & they continue to think that the Jews maintained their position as God's special people. Jesus actually said otherwise. (Matthew 21:43; Matthew 23:37,38) But he said a lot of things that most people ignore.



Yeah, a lot of people ignore paranoid delusional people who claim to be God's special people. There's a lot of that going around. Always has, probably.

I know a street corner... wow.. lots and lots of God's special little helpers getting themselves REALLY ignored. Street wise people learn very quickly to not make with the eye contact.

Others are a little more naive and git CAUGHT.


onewithhim wrote:


I think it is important to bring out that Jesus wasn't criticizing the worldly authorities at that time.



Look, an authority is an authority, legit or not.
I don't BELIEVE in any religion.. but I believe in POWER.

The Jewish gang were running the religion con.
Jesus wanted to muscle in on the very holy territory.

There was money and power at stake here...
So, they had themselves a turf war.

Was a long bloody war, Hitler almost got rid of all the Jews, but in any case, the Christians won.

Hooray for the Christians.
They got er done.


onewithhim wrote:


He said the things that a Messiah would be expected to say, wouldn't you agree?



So did David Koresh and Charly Manson. what's your point?


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A Jesus on every street corner.
Don't make eye contact.



onewithhim wrote:


Does your wife agree with you on your viewpoints? Smile



Nope, she left.
Wanna date?


onewithhim wrote:


I feel that Jesus was not paranoid nor delusional.



That feeling is to be expected of a believer.
I would not imagine that you would feel otherwise.

We both of us base our beliefs on the Bible.. it's just that we have arrived at wildly different conclusions about it, haven't we?


onewithhim wrote:


He expected to be treated poorly because the OT prophesied that he would be. Never mind that he knew everything about Jehovah's purposes even before he came to the earth.



Oh right.. his paranoid delusion was based on ancient Jewish beliefs. He was supposed to be "the Messiah". Woo... Unfortunately, there are many people who suffer from paranoid delusions like that.. we call them suffering from "messiah complex" and so on.. that's quite common, and in too many cases, quite tragic too. The Bible story has it that Jesus's followers didn't fare too well, either.

Many early Christian leaders and followers were tortured and rubbed out.
Religion back in the day was VERY serious business.

Still is today.
Big honking serious business.

And people STILL die over it.


onewithhim wrote:


It's good that you caught the fact that he was indeed criticizing the religious authorities; believe it or not, most people don't realize that, & they continue to think that the Jews maintained their position as God's special people. Jesus actually said otherwise. (Matthew 21:43; Matthew 23:37,38) But he said a lot of things that most people ignore.



Yeah, a lot of people ignore paranoid delusional people who claim to be God's special people. There's a lot of that going around. Always has, probably.

I know a street corner... wow.. lots and lots of God's special little helpers getting themselves REALLY ignored. Street wise people learn very quickly to not make with the eye contact.

Others are a little more naive and git CAUGHT.


onewithhim wrote:


I think it is important to bring out that Jesus wasn't criticizing the worldly authorities at that time.



Look, an authority is an authority, legit or not.
I don't BELIEVE in any religion.. but I believe in POWER.

The Jewish gang were running the religion con.
Jesus wanted to muscle in on the very holy territory.

There was money and power at stake here...
So, they had themselves a turf war.

Was a long bloody war, Hitler almost got rid of all the Jews, but in any case, the Christians won.

Hooray for the Christians.
They got er done.


onewithhim wrote:


He said the things that a Messiah would be expected to say, wouldn't you agree?



So did David Koresh and Charly Manson. what's your point?


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Well, I just want to say that Christ's followers have always been a suffering lot, but today there are over 8 million people who have stuck it out. If there IS a "true religion," wouldn't that religion be quite different from the rest?

Most religion today IS "big business." I believe it's all about money and power. With the exception of one religion....mine, of course. Very Happy

LOL....so you've seen JWs on the street? Very good. They would love to be "caught" and have a conversation with you. (Just try to be nice.)

David Koresh and Manson: They said a lot of things that the Messiah would NOT say, so they were pretty obviously not the Messiah. Both had sex with just about everybody (Koresh with children); they both fomented hatred toward other people; both were abusive to others, mentally and physically. Jesus was none of those things.

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A Jesus on every street corner.
One for every taste.



onewithhim wrote:


If there IS a "true religion," wouldn't that religion be quite different from the rest?



Unfortunately, "different" does not mean "true".


onewithhim wrote:


Most religion today IS "big business." I believe it's all about money and power. With the exception of one religion....mine, of course. Very Happy



Yeah, everyone prefers his own brand.


onewithhim wrote:


LOL....so you've seen JWs on the street? Very good. They would love to be "caught" and have a conversation with you. (Just try to be nice.)



Sometimes, I really don't have the time or the inclination to have a lengthy religious debate.


onewithhim wrote:


David Koresh and Manson: They said a lot of things that the Messiah would NOT say, so they were pretty obviously not the Messiah.



You might have to convince their followers about that one. It might not have been oh so obvious to THEM. You like your messiah, they like theirs.


onewithhim wrote:


Both had sex with just about everybody (Koresh with children); they both fomented hatred toward other people; both were abusive to others, mentally and physically. Jesus was none of those things.



So what?

Different messiahs are different.
You prefer your own brand.


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My walk in Christ is a walk in freedom to seek truth with no system of man controlling what I see and believe. JW religion can be summed up in one word. "BONDAGE". I love it when JW come to my door for within 10 minutes they are running down the street because when spiritual truth is shown to them their old wine skins bust.

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Of human bondage



Benoni wrote:


My walk in Christ is a walk in freedom to seek truth with no system of man controlling what I see and believe. JW religion can be summed up in one word. "BONDAGE".


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    Isn't accepting any religion mental "bondage"?


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Yes. But God uses religion. Jesus got mad at the Pharisee and Sadducees of his day in other word the religious. Today we have Baptise-sees, JW-sees, All religion-sees. A walk should be spiritual in god not religious.

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This cat don't understand how you are using the word "religion".



Benoni wrote:


Yes. But God uses religion. Jesus got mad at the Pharisee and Sadducees of his day in other word the religious. Today we have Baptise-sees, JW-sees, All religion-sees. A walk should be spiritual in god not religious.



How are you using the word "religious"?

It seems to me that we had agreed that all Christians, ( including yourself ) are "religious.

It's all very well to prefer the term "spiritual"... but a yoke is a yoke is a yoke.
I'd love to know precisely what you mean by "religion", and why you don't want to use that word for your particular belief system.

I'm being a bit of a "word guy" these days, you see,
Religious English vs Secular English is what I'm tripping out on these days.
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    Are you religious or not?
    What does religious mean?
    What does spiritual mean?


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Again you have no idea what spiritual is so who are you to judge something YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT???????

You just like to attack because you have no life.


1 Corinthians 2:
14But the natural, nonspiritual man does not accept or welcome or admit into his heart the gifts and teachings and revelations of the Spirit of God, for they are folly (meaningless nonsense) to him; and he is incapable of knowing them [of progressively recognizing, understanding, and becoming better acquainted with them] because they are spiritually discerned and estimated and appreciated.

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Having to define our terms is a bit tedious.. I agree..



Benoni wrote:


Again you have no idea what spiritual is so who are you to judge something YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT???????



I'm not judging, I'm asking what you mean by those religious terms.
I'm interested in the differences between Secular English vs Religious English.

I'm asking you to translate if you possibly can.

Another way of putting that is "define your terms" so I can understand what you seem to understand.



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Again you have no idea what spiritual is so who are you to judge something YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT???????

You just like to attack because you have no life.




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