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God Creates Evil?

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"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

-Isaiah 45:7 (KJV)


The Hebrew word for "evil" in this passage is Strong's Hebrew #7451 "Ra" which is defined as "bad or (as noun) evil (naturally or morally). This includes the second (feminine) form; as adjective or noun"

Christians try to say that this verse is not really talking about natural evil, or "calamity" (they argue this because peace isn't the opposite of evil), not moral evil, never mind the fact that the word appears in these passages:

Genesis 2:17 "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (ra), thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."


Genesis 6:5 "And GOD saw that the wickedness (ra) of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil (ra) continually."

Genesis 13:13 "But the men of Sodom were wicked (ra) and sinners before the LORD exceedingly."

1 Kings 16:30 "And Ahab the son of Omri did evil (ra) in the sight of the LORD above all that were before him."

And even more troubling for Christians is this:

"Then God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech..."

-Judges 9:23 (KJV)


"But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him. And Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee. Let our lord now command thy servants, which are before thee, to seek out a man, who is a cunning player on an harp: and it shall come to pass, when the evil spirit from God is upon thee, that he shall play with his hand, and thou shalt be well."

-I Samuel 16:14-16 (KJV)


"And it came to pass on the morrow, that the evil spirit from God came upon Saul, and he prophesied in the midst of the house: and David played with his hand, as at other times: and there was a javelin in Saul's hand."

-I Samuel 18:10 (KJV)


"And the evil spirit from the LORD was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with his hand."

-I Samuel 19:9 (KJV)


And like this previous passages, the word "ra" appears.

To any Torah believing Jews, is the KJV Bible right to translate "Ra" as "evil" in the KJV?

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Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 2: Sat Oct 08, 2016 9:10 pm
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And like this previous passages, the word "ra" appears.

To any Torah believing Jews, is the KJV Bible right to translate "Ra" as "evil" in the KJV?


That is a very standard translation.. and has been for centuries (even longer than the KJV)

That is the word that is used in Rashi's commentary. Rashi was a medieval commentator that lived in the 12th century.

http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/15976#showrashi=true

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I have 2 questions. When did evil actually begin? And was it necessary?

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Re: God Creates Evil?

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"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

-Isaiah 45:7 (KJV)


The Hebrew word for "evil" in this passage is Strong's Hebrew #7451 "Ra" which is defined as "bad or (as noun) evil (naturally or morally). This includes the second (feminine) form; as adjective or noun"


There is a serious linguistic error here. The word Ra' is not defined as "bad or evil" . It is translated as equivalent to the English "bad" or "evil". The terms "tov" and "ra'" are actually defined contextually in the first two chapters of HaTorah. If one uses that context when translating those terms, one avoids the problems related with using "best fit" translations that are derived from other cultures.

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I have 2 questions. When did evil actually begin? And was it necessary?


That is a big debate. One of the mainstream answers is has to do with free will, and the having to be able to reject evil to do to so you can lead a more sanctified life. You can't exercise the option of doing good, unless you can have the option of doing bad too. It is via the option of doing good and rejecting evil that allows a person to live a more sanctified life, and to get closer to God.

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Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 6: Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:25 pm
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I have 2 questions. When did evil actually begin? And was it necessary?


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1. Evil started when the first person made in the image of GOD chose by their free will to reject YHWH's claims to be GOD. Since first implies greater commitment to the idea and greater commitment has greater power, I think this was probably Satan.

2, No, evil was not necessary at any time for any reason. When, as per Col 1:23, YHWH made public HIS claims to be our creator GOD and first preached the gospel of salvation to all who would accept HIS deity and put their faith in the salvation to be found in HIS Son if they should ever sin in the future, IF everyone created in HIS image had chosen by their free will to accept HIS claims and put their faith in the Son then the heavenly state of full communion called the marriage to the Son would have been instituted at that time and no evil would ever have been created.

Both holiness and evil are only by choice. There was never any necessity for anyone to choose evil or holiness - we chose without coercion or constraint what we thought would give us the most happiness in our lives.

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