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Jehovah's Witnesses defend the bible

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It seems to me the defense of God's word has become the happy privilege of Jehovah's Witnesses. Many other nominal Christians seem to have dismissed the bible as mostly or partly fable, undermining the very source of faith for their flock.

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DO YOU believe that the Bible is from God? Or do you think that it is a book that contains purely thoughts from men?

That is an ongoing debate even among professed Christians. For instance, in 2014 a Gallup poll in the United States revealed that the majority of nominal Christians agreed that “the Bible is connected in some way to God.� On the other hand, about 1 in 5 polled viewed the Bible as a book of “ancient fables, legends, history, and precepts written by man.� This controversy puts the spotlight on the real meaning of the term “inspired� with regard to the Bible.—2 Timothy 3:16.

Full article: https://www.jw.org/en/publications/maga ... ed-of-god/

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JehovahsWitness wrote: It seems to me the defense of God's word has become the happy privilege of Jehovah's Witnesses. Many other nominal Christians seem to have dismissed the bible as mostly or partly fable, undermining the very source of faith for their flock.

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DO YOU believe that the Bible is from God? Or do you think that it is a book that contains purely thoughts from men?

That is an ongoing debate even among professed Christians. For instance, in 2014 a Gallup poll in the United States revealed that the majority of nominal Christians agreed that “the Bible is connected in some way to God.� On the other hand, about 1 in 5 polled viewed the Bible as a book of “ancient fables, legends, history, and precepts written by man.� This controversy puts the spotlight on the real meaning of the term “inspired� with regard to the Bible.—2 Timothy 3:16.

Full article: https://www.jw.org/en/publications/maga ... ed-of-god/

What is your opinion?
Does this mean that Jehovah's witnesses uniformly condone and defend the wholesale slaughter of helpless woman and children and babies as a matter of doctrine?
Image "The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this." -- Albert Einstein -- Written in 1954 to Jewish philosopher Erik Gutkind.

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No.




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INSPIRED OF GOD
In other words, God used his invisible energizing force, holy spirit, to transmit his message to the writers of the Bible books. This can be likened to a businessman dictating a letter to his secretary. The letter’s author is, not the one doing the writing, but the one doing the dictating.

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Some Bible writers actually heard God's message conveyed audibly by an angel. Others saw visions from God. In some cases, God communicated his message in the form of dreams. While God at times allowed the writers to use their own words to record his message, at other times he gave them precise wording. In any event, human writers conveyed God’s thoughts and not their own.
People tend to misunderstand what "inspiredof God means". The bible is the product of the thoughts and ideas of God sometimes dictated but often not. God's spirit conducted the writers so nothing in the bible is not there by the express purpose of God.



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The bible is one of the few holy books whose writers specifically state the words are actually the words of God.
Some Bible writers actually heard God’s message conveyed audibly by an angel. Others saw visions from God. In some cases, God communicated his message in the form of dreams. While God at times allowed the writers to use their own words to record his message, at other times he gave them precise wording. In any event, human writers conveyed God’s thoughts and not their own.
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Which Bible? They all have the word "version" on them after all. Your church went to the time and expense to make their own version if I recall properly. Some Eastern churches have more books in their Bible than Western ones.

I think some churches have come to the realization that the Bible, regardless of the version, is not defensible as a literal document, so they've dropped that charade and tried to come up with some kind of figurative/spiritual meaning out of it instead...

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JehovahsWitness wrote: DO YOU believe that the Bible is from God? Or do you think that it is a book that contains purely thoughts from men?

What is your opinion?
There is lots of middle ground instead of the all-or-nothing mentality.

As in some parts of the Bible are tried and true, and some other parts of the Bible are not.

One prime example is the book of Jonah who was swallowed by a big fish and lived inside that fish for three (3) days until the fish spit him out.

So Jonah is not a true story and it was just like telling the story of "Jack and the Beanstalk" or the story of "King Arthur and the Round Table" as such stories are intended to teach a lesson but they are not true stories.

The Jonah story is an example of a Jewish fable, see here Titus 1:14, and that is not calling it as a Jewish lie because fables and metaphors and such are not lies.

The book of Jonah can still have value as scripture but it is not a true story, and nobody lives for 3 days inside of a big fish just as a person can not even live for 3 short minutes inside of a fish without death and dying.

A second example is the book of Daniel which claims to be a much older text from Babylon about 540 BCE, but scholars have proven that this book was written about 164 BCE, and as such it is not a true prophesy about Jesus nor about the "last days" and it was basically a Maccabees' fraud with an ulterior motive.

The central part of the book of Revelation from Revelation 4:1 through 22:5 was written by John the Baptist or followers of John the Baptist, and it was not written by the Apostle John.

Other parts of the Bible are much better, as like this collection here is quit stunning = The US & Britain in Prophesy

The Bible itself tells us to search the Bible for truth as a little here-and-there, but not every where, Isaiah 28:9-14

As such I still see the Bible as coming from God or inspiration from God, but that does not make it as some literal correspondence from the hand of God to humanity which it is not.

The Bible is like God gave us a puzzle to unravel, and so it needs to be interpreted and translated and scrutinized as one seeks the truth.
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Jesus refered to Jonah's experience even comparing it to his own death, evidently he (Jesus) felt it was a historical event. If Jesus believed it then Christians should also.
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Jesus refered to Jonah's experience even comparing it to his own death, evidently he (Jesus) felt it was a historical event. If Jesus believed it then Christians should also.
I use to see it that way too - that Jesus mentioned Jonah and thereby Jonah has to be true and real, but there are other ways to view this.

If we talk about Santa Claus then that does not mean we believe Santa Claus to be a real person, and so too "King Arthur of the Round Table" or quote from "The Wizard of Oz" or from the "Harry Potter stories" because using these stories to make a point is not claiming that the stories are thereby factually true or real.

Jesus could quote the message from Jonah simply because the local population knew the story of Jonah, so it was a credible reference to make His point.

The story of Jonah was a fable for the childish people, just as is "Jack-n-the-Beanstalk" or as "Pinocchio" so they teach a moral message but the story is not real, see Titus 1:14

The Apostle Paul did a similar thing by referring to the Athenian's "unknown God" as being the real God, and that reference was using a local story to teach the truth, and that twisting of the altar's inscription into Paul's meaning was not really a lie and it was not saying that those Athenians were true, see Acts 17:23
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One does not refer such a serious subject as ones death and purpose in life to a "childish fable" without diminishing its value. If you had a surgeon that told you they were going to perform a life saving operation on your child and compared his work to Shreks and Donkey's dance in neverland you would ask for another doctor.

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