What is a lie?

eldios · Post by **eldios** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 2:48 pm

We know what a liar is by reading this biblical passage so what is a lie?

1 John 2:
3: And by this we may be sure that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4: He who says "I know him" but disobeys his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him;

eldios · Post by **eldios** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:59 pm

Willum wrote: [Replying to post 6 by onewithhim]

Do you own a crucufix?
Do you own that gaven idol?

I know, it isn't easy to obey God's laws. That's why so few go to heaven.
But to answer your question, yes, I expect Christians to disobey their communities - especially if their community uses false idols.

All the men created in heaven will remain in heaven for eternity. However, the flesh of man born of Satan perishes during this temporary generation. After all the flesh of man has perished by the last day of this generation, then men will hear the voice of the Lord for the first time like us servants heard his voice in this generation and were forced to obey all his commandments.

John 5:
25: "Truly, truly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.
26: For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself,
27: and has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of man.
28: Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice.

Isaiah 43
1: But now thus says the LORD, he who created you, O Jacob, he who formed you, O Israel: "Fear not, for I have redeemed you; I have called you by name, you are mine.
2: When you pass through the waters I will be with you; and through the rivers, they shall not overwhelm you; when you walk through fire you shall not be burned, and the flame shall not consume you.
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Wootah · Post by **Wootah** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 4:42 am

onewithhim wrote:
Willum wrote: Yes, so those who follow Jesus and have a crucifix on their wall have violated the Commandment against graven images.

Jesus, knowing full well the Caesars were worshiped as gods and the sons of gods, told his fellowship, not very far away from the temple of Yahweh and the temple to Caesar (where they collected tribute):
Render to [the God] Caesar, what belongs to him, and to [the god] Theos what belongs to him.
Not only that, but the language he used is a contextual one, so he even violated the first commandment about putting no god before Theos.

Matt and Luke also advocate obeying a government, ruled by proxy, by the god Zeus, which is a complete contradiction.

Invalidating all of Christianity, and the Bible mandates it.
Oh stop the foolishness. Jesus didn't instigate worship of idols any more than my right foot is Joan of Arc. Be real.

What would you have Christians do, disobey the laws of their communities? Of course Matthew and Luke and everybody else would tell Christians to obey the government as far as it goes along with what God finds acceptable. Otherwise there would be chaos!

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onewithhim · Post by **onewithhim** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 11:28 am

[Replying to post 12 by Wootah]

I apologize.

Elijah John · Post by **Elijah John** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:37 pm

eldios wrote:
It's impossible that I can speak lies from the spirit of God.

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eldios · Post by **eldios** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:34 pm

Elijah John wrote:
eldios wrote:
It's impossible that I can speak lies from the spirit of God.
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I speak the truth at all times so you might as well ban me because it's impossible for me to lie like all the other members in this forum do.

OnceConvinced · Post by **OnceConvinced** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 4:56 pm

eldios wrote:
Elijah John wrote:
eldios wrote:
It's impossible that I can speak lies from the spirit of God.
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I speak the truth at all times so you might as well ban me because it's impossible for me to lie like all the other members in this forum do.

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