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Arrow The constantly misrepresented Bible text is that humans have dominion over animals and thereby dominion means we can kill and eat animals as we wish, and that is not what the scripture declares, see here below:

Genesis 1:
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
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So from this we can see that directly in the next verse after saying that humanity had "dominion" over the animals - then it tells us to only eat fruits and grains.

As such dominion over the animals never meant to kill or to eat the animals.

When Jesus was asked about divorce He said = "... but from the beginning it was not so." Matthew 19:8, because it matters as to what was in the beginning, and in the beginning people were not to eat animals.

Later after people became sinful (full of sin), after Noah's ark, then people ate animals and people demanded meat to eat, so God compromised by letting sinners eat the animals but God told them how to clean and cook the meat - which was an improvement for ignorant barbaric humanity, but this was not the original plan.

As such if any person wants to really get closer to God then they need to stop living off of the violence and butchery of animal sacrifices.
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bluethread wrote:

This is not true, the bread and wine were already part of the ritual. He just added greater significance to them. The reason the lamb is not eaten on Pesach is because there is no Temple. In fact, when he referred to "this bread" and "this cup", he was referring to the afikoman and the third cup of the Seder. It does not refer to changing the Seder or doing away with any part of it, especially not those parts that are directly commanded.

I would suggest that if destroying the temple helped to stop the animal sacrifices - then the Roman army was serving Yahweh.

Praise be to God.


However, we are not talking about sacrifices, we are talking about eating meat. The fact that there is no sacrifice does not mean that the Pesach meal should be vegan.

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However, we are not talking about sacrifices, we are talking about eating meat. The fact that there is no sacrifice does not mean that the Pesach meal should be vegan.

If we go by the Bible then God taught the ignorant barbarian people to clean and cook the meat instead of eating animals raw, and God did this by creating the ritual of sacrifice.

Therefore and thereafter the sacrifice at the temple was done as the example and then the people would go home and follow that example by cleaning and cooking their own animal food before eating it.

And even more important is that God told people to offer up animal sacrifices for their sins because the point was for the people to see that their sins were the cause of the animal being slaughtered and thereby to inspire some remorse and repentance.

As is said = Hosea 6:6 ~ For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

So yes sacrifice and eating meat are both directly connected to each other.

I really see that as similar to Jesus' sacrifice - as the point was for people to see the shame and the sorrow of Christ being butchered, instead of celebrating the crucifixion as our salvation.

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